Donald Trump is reportedly advising Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, which would be a violation of the Logan Act.

He may not be in office, but Donald Trump has been speaking with the powers that be about Israel’s war on Gaza—but it’s not in an effort to end the genocide.

Instead, Trump has allegedly been talking with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avert a cease-fire deal, fearing that doing so could help Vice President Kamala Harris win in November, according to PBS.

“The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the Prime Minister of Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now, because it’s believed that would help the Harris campaign,” said PBS’s Judy Woodruff Monday night. “So, I don’t know where—who knows whether that will come about or not, but I have to think that the Harris campaign would like for President Biden to do what presidents do, and that’s to work on that one.”

  • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
    348·
    3 months ago

    Everyone who says “They’re both equally bad. I refuse to vote for either candidate because they both support genocide” can shut the fuck up now.

    • kescusay@lemmy.worldEnglish
      133·
      3 months ago

      I strongly suspect most of the people pushing that particular line aren’t eligible to vote… in American elections, that is.

      • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
        61·
        3 months ago

        I don’t, I know what it was like to be an optimistic young adult. I understand the allure of holding strong to an ethical code while others’ compromises seem to make the progress all too slow.

        The truth is that this shit takes time and requires a lot of pressure - and that’s a fucking bitter pill to swallow.

        • forensic_potato@lemmy.world
          5·
          3 months ago

          Aren’t 70+ years enough time though? Those people are done. You can’t ask them to swallow bitter pills for that long of a time while also telling them to shut up because “you are enabling the enemy”. They have valid criticisms that some key people from the Democratic side are far too happy to ignore. Honest question…how do you compromise with an ongoing genocide in an apartheid state?

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            3 months ago

            Honest question…how do you compromise with an ongoing genocide in an apartheid state?

            Same way we compromised with the UK and France in WW1, or the Soviet Union in WW2, or Turkiye during the Cold War, or Saudi Arabia in the modern day.

            When there are some 200 countries in the world, all with their own squabbles that affect their region and themselves, taking no sides is still taking sides - and no side is clean. The idea that there’s some ideal option where no one gets hurt is just not the reality of things. Not every conflict is like this - not every conflict will continue to be like this. We can make a better world. But not by sitting on our hands now in an attempt to keep them ‘clean’. Short of quite literally conquering the entire world, all of our choices are necessarily limited by the need to take a side in most conflicts, in which both sides are often pretty gruesome.

            That being said, fuck Israel. Revoke everything. Side with Palestine.

        • Vespair@lemm.ee
          4·
          3 months ago

          I understand what you’re saying and I want to sympathize, but I feel like we’re so far outside the norm here that some of this falls a bit flat to me. Like we aren’t talking about being swayed by a wolf in sheep’s clothing here, Trump is a an entire pack of wolves loudly shouting “the wolves have arrived, fuck all you sheep!”

          I think there was a point what you say rang true, but I can’t help but feel like we’re so off-course at this point that if you haven’t seen Trump for what he is yet it must be because you are WILLFULLY evading that reality.
          I find it genuinely difficult to believe that anyone touting the “both sides are the same narrative” still, today, about Trump, can possibly truly believe that. I genuinely think you are only hearing from the mouths of charlatans, foreign agents, intentional accelerationists, and the absolute most genuinely ignorant of people. Maybe I’m jaded, but the alternative is legitimately incomprehensible to me at this point.

        • blurg@lemmy.world
          4·
          3 months ago

          There is something to this; however, there are historical examples of rather quick progress. FDR for one (public work projects and infrastructure, financial reforms, regulations, social security, etc.), when old and young, the president, government employees, the whole general public (with some exceptions), held to popular principles of egalitarian fairness against the few unconscionably rich. A time of tasty pills.

      • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
        35·
        3 months ago

        Some of them no doubt, a lot of them are younger voters that are just sick of their country never having been sliding down into more and more blatant evil for their entire lives.

        • knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social
          7·
          3 months ago

          I’d prefer neither, and in any case I’d still refuse to promise my vote to a party before the election. If Harris wants my guaranteed support she’ll have to start acting like it.

          Now is the best time to push the party left, and genocide is the one issue I absolutely refuse to compromise on.

          • Soulg@sh.itjust.works
            13·
            3 months ago

            Any vote not for Harris is a vote for Trump because of how our system works. You would be actively pushing closer to the final annihilation of Gaza by not doing everything in your p-

            Oh fuck it. You fucking morons will never understand at this rate. I just hate seeing you pretend you actually give a single fuck about those poor people when you’re just using them to virtue signal

            • knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social
              3·
              3 months ago

              I’m not saying not to vote, I’m saying not to make yourself ignorable. If the DNC knows they have your vote they won’t have any reason to try and earn it.

          • SonOfMothman@lemmy.world
            6·
            3 months ago

            In a perfect world maybe, but not how it actually works. Please vote for your best interests. A not vote is that same a vote against your own interests.

            • knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social
              2·
              3 months ago

              I’m not saying not to vote, I’m saying not to make yourself ignorable. If the DNC knows they have your vote they won’t have any reason to try and earn it.

              • SonOfMothman@lemmy.world
                1·
                3 months ago

                You said you can’t garauntee you’ll vote for Kamala and that she needs to earn your vote. Also that you shouldn’t be ignored.

                What are you saying? Are you saying there’s a possibility you’ll vote for trump? Because that’s the only other option… unless you don’t vote.

                I guess I’m just confused about how are going to get these people to see you. How are you going to not be ignored? The whole no confidence vote already happened, and the next vote is the only one left

                • knightly the Sneptaur@pawb.social
                  1·
                  3 months ago

                  What are you saying? Are you saying there’s a possibility you’ll vote for trump?

                  If Trump was able to convince me that he’d stop America’s support for genocide then I would.

                  And until Harris can do the same, the Democrats do not have my fealty.

                  that’s the only other option… unless you don’t vote.

                  That is precisely the risk that the Democrat party is taking. If there is no option for voting against genocide, then people like me might not feel enthusiastic about getting out of the house on voting day.

                  I guess I’m just confused about how are going to get these people to see you.

                  The same as any organization, public opinion polling:

                  The party is well aware that the fraction of their base that wants to stay the course on America’s national support for genocide is a minority.

                  That they have not already changed their stance is evidence that they do not see a need to do so. They must be confident that they can win the election without the support of uncommitted voters.

                  Bet.

                  • SonOfMothman@lemmy.world
                    1·
                    3 months ago

                    First off, the only one asking for fealty is the republicans. Second, trump already said “finish the job” so obviously he’s not in favor of a cease fire.

                    Now we’re right back to voting against your own interests. A not vote for Kamala is a vote for Trump(in a tight race like this)…. who supports the genocide fully… “finish the job”

                    You have two options.

                    1. vote for an administration that has called for a cease fire and is working to get it. Not doing a great job at it but the alternative is…

                    2. Vote for the administration that has said “finish the job” fully supporting the genocide and not calling for a cease fire.

                    How are you going to not be ignored? If trump wins because people like you don’t vote you’re definitely getting ignored lol. Actually that mother fucker might thank you for helping him get elected.

                    “If these people won’t do exactly I want then I’m going to make sure I get exactly what I don’t want!” - that’s you, that’s how you sound

                    Even the poll you just posted shows dems are more in favor of a mutually beneficial outcome, as opposed to(not to beat a dead horse but) “finish the job.

                    You want to be seen and heard? get out and protest and vote for your best interests. You want to be ignored? Don’t vote. Not voting gives you literally no skin in the game to complain later

                    Edit:grammar