WASHINGTON (TND) — Dr.Jill Stein, who is a Green Party presidential candidate, has selected Professor Butch Ware as her vice-presidential running mate.

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    but it sounds like you’re not concerned about a 2nd Trump term.

    Correct, I am not. I don’t think the world ends if Trump wins again. (But he won’t win anyway, so I’m double unconcerned.)

    We have to send a message that any of that is NOT OKAY.

    Well, you feel that YOU have to send that message. And I support your right to do that.

    I, however, don’t feel the need to do that.

    Perhaps you’re telling the truth, but it just doesn’t feel like that, simply because most of your posts appear to have been about defending third party candidates rather than speaking in favor of reform (I say “appear” because I have not combed through your entire post history or anything, nor will I).

    I am telling the truth. And I love the idea of reform. But no, you don’t have time to go thru all my posts. (tho you are welcome to!) People argue with me a lot, and are very mad that I am not voting for their candidate, so it would take you forever. But I have advocated for reform plenty of times.

    But I’m not going to sit around waiting for that; I’m going to vote for the candidate I believe in now.

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      I, however, don’t feel the need to do that.

      So you aren’t concerned about any of the issues I brought up - the 4yrs of conservative SCOTUS supermajority, Project 2025, Schedule F, etc?

      Are you not concerned about Trump potentially invoking the insurrection act, especially noting that has said he would consider sending troops into liberal cities “to curb crime waves”?

      Even forgetting things he “plausibly might not want to do”, his official policy plans are very concerning to me.

      I don’t think the world ends if Trump wins either, but I think it’ll be very bad. Furthermore, I think 4 years of the president having zero climate protection policy will be detrimental to the environment. It feels ironic that you support the Green Party but aren’t concerned about a Trump presidency in that regard.

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        So you aren’t concerned about any of the issues I brought up - the 4yrs of conservative SCOTUS supermajority, Project 2025, Schedule F, etc?

        Nope. Pure fearmongering created by Democrats.

        If Trump somehow won (which he won’t), then in 4 years, we’d have another election. And in that election, Democrats would be saying variations of “Republicans are trying to destroy the world. This is the most important election ever!” like they have always said.

        And the Republicans would be saying variations of “Libs are trying to destroy the world. This is the most important election ever!” like they have always said.

        I won’t be voting for either one of them.

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          Again. This isn’t about stopping apocalypse, or the end of the world, or anything like that. It’s about stopping a guy who has literally threatened to send the national guard into cities…just cuz.

          And again. The irony of supposedly supporting the Green Party, while not caring about the threat of Trump on the environment. When caring about the environment is literally the namesake of the party……

          Please, at least read my link to his Agenda 47 if you have not already done so. Or watch his official Agenda 47 videos, which are videos and not easily navigable text for a reason.

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            Stop trying to bully me. Stop trying to guilt me. Stop trying to sway me.

            I’m voting for Jill Stein. I support you right to vote for who you want to. Just like I am allowed to.

            Accept it. Move on. I’m NOT voting for your candidate. Do you understand?

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              This is not a good-faith response to my comment and you ought to know that.

              I’m not bullying you. You’re the one who put forward the idea that democrats think a trump presidency would destroy the world and/or cause an apocalypse, and I am asserting, as a democrat, that neither of those are true.

              I was genuinely interested in how you’d respond to Trump’s Agenda 47, if you had not already researched it. And I was genuinely interested in how you’d rebut the irony I pointed out twice, but you have not done so.

              I don’t really care if you don’t decide within the next 24hrs to vote Harris or anything like that, but I was interested in, at least on paper, having a good faith discussion where I put forth new information and a perceived cognitive dissonance in your stated values, and you’d read at least some of that information, and/or address the perceived dissonance.

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                  I don’t want to leave the conversation with a “cap” on it that has animosity behind it.

                  I’m still interested in how you respond to Agenda 47, and how you’d reconcile the Green Party candidate being your #1 pick, with not caring about a Trump victory when Trump is worst candidate for the environment.

                  If you don’t want to continue the conversation, you could simply stop responding. I can’t stop you from doing that, nor do I have any desire to.

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                    It’s simple. I’m not voting “against” anyone; I’m voting “for” someone. I’m not worried about who might win. I’m voting for the person who best aligns with my values, and that’s Jill Stein.

                    I get it—you’re scared of Trump. You hate him. Fine. But half the country doesn’t hate him, and that’s just the way things are.

                    I’m not changing my mind. I’m not suddenly going to stand up and say, “OMG, @aalavre2 was right. I’ve read up on Trump this weekend, and now I’m scared! He totally talked me into voting for Harris!”

                    That’s not going to happen. You act like I’m someone who just moved here from another country and has never heard of Trump. You keep saying variations of “But what about…” or “How are you going to respond to…”

                    Dude, I don’t care. I’m not scared of Trump or his administration. If he wins, I won’t jump into a pile of pillows and cry, “Why? Why didn’t I vote for Harris?! Why didn’t I listen to the people on Lemmy?!”

                    I’m voting for Jill Stein because I like her and I want to vote for her. It’s not that deep. It’s not some deep philosophical reflection on my feelings about the nature of society.

                    You need to accept it. I have the right to vote for who I want. You’re trying to bully and guilt me into doing something that you want me to do. Which, by the way, is exactly what Trump voters try to do as well.

                    I support you voting for whoever you want. I don’t expect you to explain or apologize for your choice. Please offer me the same courtesy.

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      You like to say that people are mad about you not voting for their candidate, but that’s just your spin. Personally I was mad about you constantly giving shifting strawman arguments about how it was impossible for Stein to be working with Russia. Like most conservatives-at-heart though, you seem to struggle with owning up to any wrongdoing, everything must always be someone else’s fault and you’re always some innocent victim.