• notaviking@lemmy.world
    31·
    3 months ago

    South African here, we also have proportional representation, along with free and fair elections. It is not a magic bullet, we have been dominated by a single party for the last 30 years (since the end of apartheid and the dawn of democracy), so unless your population is educated and doesn’t blindly vote out of loyalty.

    But I still agree that proportional representation, even in its worst outcomes, is for me the fairest government, I really feel like my vote will count, especially in the last election in May where the ANC finally fell below 50% and had to go into a coalition government.

      • notaviking@lemmy.world
        6·
        3 months ago

        Wasn’t always the case, corruption will always be present in any government. Ours got out of hand when our “FBI”, called the Scorpions, decided not to prosecute Zuma when he was VP for corruption, if he steps down. So he stepped down and behind the scenes won the ANC party’s presidency and then gained Presidency, using a Stalingrad legal tactic to indefinitely delay legal responsibility. Then he claimed political prosecution and the use of the Scorpions as proof and disbanded them. That basically was the fall of accountability in South Africa and what followed we now call the nine lost years and entrenched corruption. Zuma was a charismatic leader that used the presidency to protect himself from legal prosecution and to further enrich himself. Even now with Commissions into corruption like the Zondo State Capture Commission finding many individuals engaged in corrupt activities with black and white evidence, we haven’t seen any real legal ramifications or really any convictions.

  • UpperBroccoli
    20·
    3 months ago

    5 out of 6 have a cross in their flag, too, perhaps that is the real reason.

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
    4·
    3 months ago

    All of these countries have majority populations of white Europeans mostly descended from locals… which is to say that they each have a majority population that is of one ethnic and sociocultural background which they have shared for hundreds (or thousands) of years. Their internal social stability has a lot more to do with the historical momentum of their population having primarily shared interests and culture than it does with their method of voting.

        • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
          8·
          3 months ago

          No, that’s exactly what you’re saying. To you the reason they can have nice things is because they’re homogenous, you’re implying that diversity prevents stability and what is diversity from a national perspective? People of different origins.

          You’re saying that people of different origins create instability in the countries they immigrate to, you’re a racist that’s not courageous or honest enough to admit it.

          So again, fuck off Nazi 🖕

    • retrolasered@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4·
      3 months ago

      Surprised by so many downvotes for this, its a fairly accurate observation. I dont see how this promotes or demotes anything.

      • Taalen@lemmy.world
        10·
        3 months ago

        It’s mostly because this has been a go-to response by Americans in topics about some European countries doing significantly better than the US: “It’s because they don’t have black people”.

        • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
          2·
          3 months ago

          Tbf that’s more them telling on themselves in context.

          Roosevelt’s coalition failed to deliver the full extent of what we’d see in Nordic states and other such robust welfare systems because the dixiecrats rebelled against those things also applying to black people and not being easy enough to use discriminatingly.

    • hubobes@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      3 months ago

      1/4 of the swiss population are immigrants, not including naturalized immigrants. And most countries have a majority population…what exactly is the argument there?