• daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Let’s add: “Jihadism is dangerous”

    “Hamas is a terrorist organisation”

    “Innocent should not die no matter if they were born in Tel Aviv or in Gaza”

    “7 of October of 2023 was a terrorist attack”

    “Situation in a conflict zone where both sides has been killing each other for decades is not simple and has no simple solution”

    “Blindly supporting muyahidins, I mean, intifada, has not a good historic record”

    “A Hamas led Palestine would be very similar to any other Islamic dictatorship, which is not good for Palestinians, specially women and LGBT”

    Under any circumstances innocents should die, and anyone (ANYONE) killing civilians is a piece of shit. But the fact that Israel government is a Piece of Shit does not mean that Hamas is not also a Piece of Shit. Some people seems to forget that when it comes to codemn the cruelties inflicted in that region.

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      “Situation in a conflict zone where both sides has been killing each other for decades is not simple and has no simple solution”

      It is not a “conflict zone” and it is not “complicated”. It is classical settler colonialism with the inevitable goal of ethnically cleansing and genociding the native population. By this logic the Nazi “Lebensraum” ideology of invading Poland, systematically murdering not only Jews and other minorities, but death-Squadding entire villages to then settler their own people on the land would somehow be “complicated”.

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        I suppose we live in different realities where 7 of October never happened or where missiles are not raining every day over Israel trying to indiscriminately killing people

        If we live in different realities there’s nothing to argue.

        In my reality there has not been found any extermination camps. And the lots of civilians killed are killed like civilians are killed in most wars. Shitty but not comparable to ww2 Germany.

        There’s a conflict, there is a war between two tyrant and radical organizations. Israel Army (Supported by USA) and Palestine Army(Supported by Islamic countries and terrorist organizations), and both are being pretty shitty and trying to exterminate the other one.

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          And the lots of civilians killed are killed like civilians are killed in most wars. Shitty but not comparable to ww2 Germany.

          IDF is literally making tiktoks braggin about killing unarmed random people. Doctors in Gaza report children executed with single shots to the head, indicating IDF snipers deliberately hunting children. We’ve seen people burned alive, people beheaded, unarmed people hunted down by drones, clearly marked aid convoys blown up, journalists assasinated with precision strikes… And Gaza looks very similar to Stalingrad in being a field of rubble.

          The scale is not the same and Israel is not running extermination camps (yet). But on the military side it has a lot of similarities to Eastern Front Wehrmacht.

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            Have you ever follow a war?

            That happens in Gaza, happens in Yemen, happens in western sahara, happens in Ukraine, happens in Irak and syria, happens in every place there is a war…

            It’s not different to any other war. As bad as all the others.

            The Holocaust didn’t cause the impression it had because those things. Not because they killed people, but because of the scale and the industrial method of killing those people. Without those two factors killing, torturing, destroying people, and even ethic cleansing is just a Wednesday in any war.

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      good thing that Hamas only exists because of Israeli support, not just via suitcases of money, but also due to a thorough expunging of moderate agnostic opposition! and hamstringing the fatwa forces during the Hamas-Fatwa civil war where Hamas took over Gaza (Hamas won some local elections, but at the time it was still part of the Palestinian state)

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        That’s pretty clear. Same happened with Al Qaeda and the USA.

        So it amazes me when people follow hamas propaganda so easily.

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      Hamas is the resistance AGAINST a terrorist organization, sweetie.

      Jihad is not dangerous when foreign countries are occupying your land and killing your people.

      Hell, Jihad is not dangerous period. It’s the context in which the Jihad is performed that has the potential to be dangerous.

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        WoW! Just WoW!

        XXI century and people defending Jihadism. Which is literally killing the infidel because your imaginary friend Allah told you so.

        I suppose killing innocent and children, and imposing a medieval oppression on society is ok in your moral book if it is for the glory of Allah.

        I suppose that you support then the murder of my family members who had died in the Jidhadist bombings in Madrid. The murder of a innocent teacher surely did a lot for resisting the evil west attacking their peaceful countries which surely don’t behead homosexuals.

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          It looks like you have a lack of understanding of what Jihad even is, as well as the application of Jihad in war.

          For example, take this:

          killing innocent and children killing the infidel

          Both of these comments wildly contradict Islamic doctrine as accepted by the majority of Muslims - lose the bias for a second and do a bit of research; you’ll see what I mean.

          Additionally,

          imaginary friend Allah

          It’s quite rude to start throwing insults at basically everyone who believes in God based on your own misconceptions, or even otherwise. A level-headed discussion where insults don’t start randomly getting thrown around would do far better for everyone here.

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            Religion is not real. To myself belief in any God is an insult to human intelligence.

            I would never support any religion. As religion is the dead of freedom and a wildcard to torture and oppression.

            And religions that support the Holy War are just plain evil.

            You tell my what justification there is to call Jihad over my country, as it was called by a Caliphate and we suffered several terrorist attacks over it. My people have been living here since before Mohammed invented his religious scam. What possibly justification does anyone has to kill innocent people to conquer my land for the glory of Allah? People DIED over that, so don’t tell my I’m not understanding things, because I clearly understand that people who were alive are now dead because they called the Jihad on us .

            You can say whatever you want but your lies won’t bring the dead from their graves.

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              Reading your comment, I understand that I cannot clear up the various misconceptions (that I perceive) you have, which seem to be the result of complicated external factors and have deep emotional roots.

              Sorry for wasting your time.

              Allah knows best.

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                Please. How do you even talk about my “complicated external factors with emotional roots” when you just believe what you believe because you were indoctrinated by a religion, probably since they day you were born.

                My morals come from the rational thinking and does not include justifying murder. Can you say the same?

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                  can you say the same

                  Yes, I can. But I suppose you won’t agree anyways? Either way, it’s all good.

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        Hell, Jihad is not dangerous period.

        My word! I simply had no idea that 9/11 and all the car bombings performed by ISIS in the late 2000s were not dangerous! You have no idea how much better that makes me feel.

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          It’s surprising to see how many people don’t know what Jihad even is.

          9/11

          car bombings

          ISIS in the late 2000s

          You’ll be surprised to learn that none of these things fall under Jihad. I kindly request you do a little bit of research.

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      You won’t be happy with your opinion here. Lemmy is a pretty pro-terrorist place and gleefully ignore what Hamas, Mullah, Taliban (just look at Afghanistan) and all the other did, do and stand for. But thanks for your effort.

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        I’m just even surprised by the term “Free” Palestine.

        Who would be Free in that supposed country?

        Women would be free? No, they will be subjected to their husbands will.

        Children would be free? No, they would be indoctrinated in Islam their whole life.

        LBGT people would be free? No, they will be executed.

        Non muslisms would be free? No, thay will be second class citizens.

        Regular men would be free? No, they will have to follow the Coran or else.

        What it is proposed by Hamas is not a Free Palestine, not by any definition of Free that I know.

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      I think you need to be more explicit with your first statements. Any line fewer than 5 words is too vague. It should be long and read like it was scrawled over an entire vehicle.