This guy breaks down just how bad the layout of the new PHB is. The cross referencing is non-existent and the subsections seem to go in the order someone thought of them. I’m sadly unsurprised that they’ve not improved on any of these problems which existed in the original 5e PHB.

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    Wait, remind me again: why are we still buying shit from this tone-deaf, greedy AF corp with a proven record of fanbase fuckery up there with GW?

    full disclosure: I haven’t given WotC any money since ~'96, so it’s less a “we” and more a “y’all”, but I meant it in a collective “us”. 😅

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      Brand recognition, probably. Everyone outside the hobby has heard of D&D but none of them have heard of Pathfinder or Savage Worlds or whatever.

      We can change that, though!

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        I own a small LGS and I have been trying since I opened almost 6 years ago to introduce more games to people that are not D&D. But it sells 5:1 over all the other RPGs I stock.

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          My professional input, knowing nothing of your shop or location, and all respect intended: hosting DMing “lessons” using other systems like PbtA, SwoN, Starforged, Quest, Kids on Brooms/Bikes, etc. to hone narrative improv skills can often set a foundation of non-D&D preferences — especially when the aforementioned are super easy to get started, thus promoting a higher frequency of game sessions for your fledgling Storytellers/GMs. Hell, offering a free/discounted game room rental to the groups these GMs put together could be a great draw (& good optics) 🤓

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          Wildsea has been so fun and since its flavor is different than your standard DnD setting, but it still has a fantasy setting, I think it has pretty wide appeal. The style of game is different, and definitely uses different GM skills, but it’s a great option imho. It can be run as a drop in/drop out pretty easily which is a plus for some groups. It will definitely not get the same reach as DnD, but the art is so inspiring it might sway some people if you’re able to display it somewhere.

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            The Core book is out of stock at my distributor, but since they have 4 new titles for preorder I am hopeful the core book comes back into stock soon.

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              Yea, the art is great and along with the text really helps build the world. I have rarely seen an rpgs rules support the setting so well.

              DIE was great. I haven’t read it, but I have played it. I feel hesitant recommending it because the experience seems heavily variable depending on GM, but it was definitely one of my personal favorites.

              ETA: pg 10-11 of the wildsea book has a layer breakdown of the sea and it’s my favorite part of the whole book. Maybe I’m just a sucker for any science textbook adjacent art, but it does such a great job of immersing you (imho). I think they should make posters of it and have it a bit more prominent in their marketing, but it’s possible I’m off base. I feel like you can use interesting races in lots of different settings, but the sea is so integral to the game, it should be one of the big draws for players.

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              I’m in a group game right now that’s in the third act of Gatewalkers, and my own game is going to be homebrew. I considered getting the Kingmaker module for Foundry since I already have a license - I got it so my friend could GM Warhammer Fantasy RP for us - but my eyes watered at the $120 price tag for the Kingmaker module.

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        That’s some defeatist rhetoric that only serves the corpos, friend. “Everyone outside the hobby”? Truly? And “none of them”, as well? Exceptionally inaccurate and clearly benefits the fuck-the-consumer goals of WotC. Keep their propaganda outta your mouth.

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          I said “we can change that” and I believe that. Let’s start promoting other TTRPGs wherever we can. How is that defeatist?

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            Let’s not argue in bad faith. The corpo rhetoric section I referred to is clearly not that statement, and said statement doesn’t change the fact that the former is still bullshit that doesn’t help any of us with its hyperbolic broad brush.

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      I’m not. I just got my PF2e remaster books which show how to do backwards compatible system updates well.

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      I’ll be completely honest with you sir:

      It’s just that none of the other popular TTRPGs (as in, ones I can find a group for) have much content on dragons.

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          And 4 first party monster books with so many dragons.

          What it’s really lacking is dungeons.

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            TBF, even in Dungeons & Dragons, there’s an ironic deficit of actual dungeons. Abattoirs, oubliettes, catacombs, sewers, and even a largely unmapped cavernous subterranean realm? Checkity check check, check. Dungeons? A handful at best in nearly half a century of content production. 🤷🏽‍♂️ (It’s almost like the racist, sexist, insular founding members were a loose group of multi-flavored trogs, give or take. 🤪)

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            And the dragons are actually awesome in PF2e. Not just colour coded. They have dragons that map onto different primordial concepts like the 4 kinds of magic, different outer planes like Heaven and Hell, etc.

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      I started a Pathfinder game because I wanted to get away from D&D, and because two friends really got into Dimension20 stuff and wanted to give RPGs a try. I was digging the rules a lot but they’re watching 6-8 hours of D&D content a week and playing PF2E every couple of weeks, and it was just a huge disconnect for them. With Abomination Vaults getting a 5e release, it just seems easier to make the switch back to something my players are more comfortable with.

      Now to convince my cousin he wants to run a PF2E game so I can get that bard life going.

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        That’s so sad. The people who have tried to move to making Pathfinder content got bludgeoned back to preaching the one true way of D&D by YouTube’s recommendation engine, too, meaning that there’s very little high production value PF2 content.

        I can recommend Mortals & Portals, as an actual play.

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          I’m only 4 episodes into Mortals & Portals but will also second this recommendation. Those dudes are hilarious.