A lot of what needs to be done is making sure that the Harris win is large enough that you can’t easily claim that a handful of ballots should be tossed and change the outcome. That means:
- Check your voter registration — part of the Republican strategy has long been invalidating registrations so people can’t vote
- Volunteer — nothing in the world quite like talking to people.
- Donate — money is used for everything from ads to voter turnout operations
- Organize; be prepared to turn out with others in your community to actively object to any effort to ignore your votes
Eh, there’s one additional way we can stop them. A landslide victory that puts her massively over the electoral college threshold would make a handful of compromised counties completely irrelevant.
I do think this is the only way. It’s not 270towin this year, we need a margin.
Most people in America can’t do anything about that though. Only the people in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona.
Nah. Even if you are in a safe state, vote. Even if you are in a state run by weirdos, vote. Literally vote.
It worked in 2020. trump had more votes than in 2016 and he lost by even more. January 6th had no chance of success because it was obvious who won. Taking the capitol building doesn’t mean anything.
The supreme court doesn’t even mean anything without the consent of the governed. The British won the War of 1812 and literally burned the White House to the ground. They still had to leave because the US is so big that it’s literally ungovernable without consent of the population.
The British definitely did NOT win the war of 1812. Wtf are you talking about?
The official results are “inconclusive”. The US lost more lives, more money, and the capital. I call that a loss, especially since the US declared war to begin with. What do you call it?
Leave it to the Brits to be beaten by America’s weather.
That’s not in the cards given the last 4 years. Remember we only won in the wake of a mass uprising, with most people thinking they were voting to defund the police, defend Roe, free healthcare, less war, legalization of pot, freeing the concentration camps on the border, etc.
We’ll be lucky if Trump’s campaign shitting itself and Biden dropping out are enough to compensate for the last 4 years of either inaction or making things worse.
I don’t think people voted for Joe Biden for those reasons. Except maybe defend Roe.
I talked to a lot of people in 2020, the younger voters absolutely thought that’s what they were voting for. You underestimate how low-information the average american is. They associated free healthcare or defunding the police with democrats, and thought Biden was running on those things.
Yeah, apologies, but I don’t tend to believe personal accounts given over the internet. Just out of general principle.
They’re a lemmy.ml so to me they start out with no credibility.
OK, get your own anecdotes, ask random, apolitical coworkers “Who are you voting for, and what policies or actions will they implement that you like. What policies or actions do you expect <opposition> to implement that you don’t like”.
It’s no longer 2020, so I’m sure the specifics have changed, but I’m certain you’ll find incoherent ideas very loosely related to reality.
Sure, you can find anecdotes for anything. But anybody expecting defund the police out of a moderate like Biden was ignorant, which is fairly uncommon among actual progressives. Dude was clearly old dem establishment, he was Obama’s VP and defeated the progressives like Bernie in the primary after all.
edit: Oh, and if you think all dems want progressive values, that’s a very strong sign that you’re consuming conservative media. That’s their line.
Once again, the average american is very low-information. A few times I had to explain that the primary vote had been the one to decide whether any of the policies that would help them would be on the ballet, and stuff like emptying the camps, defunding the police, and cutting military spending weren’t even on that.
you’re consuming conservative media
Progressives are told that dems share their values, or infer that from republicans opposing those values.
they’re neck-and-neck in the polls; how do you think that this will happen?
is it because you’re one of those people who disregard polls?
Polls are going to be skewed tpwards the people that answer the phone calls from random phone numbers flagged Spam or Political.
How many have called you this cycle? How many did you answer?
i’ve seen spam calls, but i’ve never seen political before and i suspect my demographic data will guarantee that i will never get a phone call from a poll worker.
They didn’t start for me until after I turned 45. Not sure what to make of that, if anything.
if it does mean anything it would suggest that i’m right about my demographics precluding a call since it should have started a few years ago; if 45 is the magic age for it.
My number probably made it onto a few lists last couple election cycles from donations and petition support, and that might be more likely than age. But we are talking about the racist states of america so it’s entriely possible the difference is out demographics…which is stupid and infuriating, but silver lining: good for you without the extra calls to ignore?
that seems to further confirm my suspicions since i have been donating since 1996.
which is stupid and infuriating, but silver lining: good for you without the extra calls to ignore?
worst silver lining ever since the suffering endured by people with similar demographics have at the hands of democrats and republicans alike (especially biden) is less stupid and infuriating than the shitlibs on the fediverse and reddit that brand you privileged for pointing any of this out; no matter how much you’ve suffered.
There’s prediction markets and bookies making odds as well. People putting money on the line are probably a little more accurate than polls by themselves. Looks like people think the odds currently favor Harris, but not by a large margin. 50.9% chance for Harris and 47.1% for Trump (https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/08/09/harris-has-vaulted-past-trump-as-the-bookies-favorite-to-win-presidential-election/). IIRC, prediction markets significantly favored Clinton in 2016 right before the results came back though.
HERE you go, buddy.
Everyone else, ignore polls, and just VOTE.
i don’t doubt that polls can be wrong; i asked my question because i was confused by the other poster’s position
Polls skew to the right. You should expect to see a few safe red states flip to blue. This is the first presidential election since J6, and the first since roe was overturned. A lot of centrists, and even Republicans are just fucking sick of seeing and hearing Donald Trump. And not to mention most people only voted for Biden because he wasn’t trump, not because they were enthusiastic about Biden. That’s also different this election. Not to mention project 2025, and Donald’s credible threats of dictatorship. He lost in 2020 and it’s only going to be more lopsided this time.
Not to mention project 2025
this has been a thing since 1980 and it’s bonkers that we only just now started caring about it, but it makes sense that no one brought it up during an election year since biden has been one of its biggest proponents; like he voted against anti-gay marriage in 1996; bragged about creating the student loan debt law he created in 2005; expressed pride at supporting segregationists during the 2020 election; very publicly told anita hill to stop complaining and shut up about sexual harassment from clarence thomas in 1991; and advocated against letting lgbtq in federal service from 1972 to 2012.
it’s a VERY good thing he’s not in the race anymore because now the candidates are actually different from each other now.
And it will continue to be a thing. They’ll keep trying. But we need to keep people aware that they won’t stop trying. But their ranks will continue to fall. We just need to do what we can to make sure that we do all we can to help that process along.
For what it’s worth, Biden has grown and moved left over the course of his political career, and that’s a good thing. We should give credit where it’s due. Yeah, he wasn’t perfect by any means, but he did save democracy for another 4 years. If we need to fight it 4 years at a time, so be it. But he did a good job with what he had vs the expectations. He got a lot done considering what he was working against, and honestly I’m proud of him for it. That being said, we need to move on to continue to progress.
And it will continue to be a thing. They’ll keep trying. But we need to keep people aware that they won’t stop trying. But their ranks will continue to fall.
biden et. al along w the republicans have enacted nearly 75% of project 2025’s recommendations since 1980.
For what it’s worth, Biden has grown and moved left over the course of his political career …
biden is currently making the wrong decision; it’s seriously fucking up people’s lives; and there’s literally allies and opponents alike telling him he’s making the wrong choice (as he has done before in the examples i cited earlier); but he’s still ignoring all the advice and all the evidence and continuing support the genocide, no matter what the cost and damage it’s doing (again as he had done in the examples i cited earlier).
biden has not grown or moved; the issues have.
I take polls under advisement, though recent years have definitely demonstrated that there are issues with them. Regardless of their veracity, though, they are subject to shifting as time goes on.
they’re supposed to shift and that’s why it’s called polling; you’re taking action to measure that shift, if any/
Uh, no, that is not why they are called polls.
Middle English (in the sense ‘head’): perhaps of Low German origin. The original sense was ‘head’, and hence ‘an individual person among a number’, from which developed the sense ‘number of people ascertained by counting of heads’ and then ‘counting of heads or of votes’ (17th century).
Yes to them being supposed to shift though.
i’m not referring to the etymology of the word and your response seems to conflict with your previous post.
your previous post says:
don’t trust polls because they can change
and this post says:
polls are supposed to change
If you’re not referring to the etymology, then why did you bring up why they are called polls?
No, I said I take them under advisement. This is an in-between stance between trusting them completely and discarding them completely. This is preferable to any sort of purist, absolutist position that would not be able to keep up with a world where things can change.
What’s the electoral college threshold? I was wondering just recently if there’s any percentage of popular that matters more than the electoral college.
The number to reach is 270 EC votes. However, it is very possible to reach that number while not winning the popular vote. That’s why certain states (such as PA, GA, AZ) tend to be the “battleground” states as they have enough EC votes to shift the election and usually aren’t reliably red or blue.
If I remember correctly, it’s theoretically possible to win the Presidency of the US while only winning something like 25% of the popular vote (though in practice, if you’re able to win the states to pull something like that off you’re also going to be winning the bigger states as well so your victory would look more like Reagan’s).
Jesus Christ. If Trump won 25% of the popular vote and still became president, I hope it’d finally be enough to get the country to revolt.
270 total electoral college votes. No, the popular does not matter, just the 50 individual states. They distribute their electoral college votes in different ways, each state gets to set its own rules.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College
No shit. They’ve only been saying it for years.
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Watching Trump’s press conference from Mar-a-lago the other day, and hearing his excuses for why he isn’t out on the road campaigning, it struck me that the narrative that he’s moping around depressed that he’s losing isn’t the whole story.
He’s got Vance out pretending to campaign, while he and his buddies are sitting around coming up with plan B. He’s probably had calls with dozens of Republican governors and is getting teams of “alternate electors” together (the Stephen Miller interview on Ari Melber’s show made it pretty clear that they still see that as a perfectly legal strategy). Donald may know “it’s over” but that just means he’s going to get more desperate and we’ve already seen what desperate Trump can do with 2 months of prep, I’m not looking forward to seeing what he can do with 5 months.
I live in a mail in ballot state but I think people -especially in swing states with trump election officials- should call in sick to work on election day. Get some friends and be election observers. If you watch everything you’ll at least catch them in the act of whatever they’re planning. Bring water with you and help out. Even kids that can’t vote can do some things to help. Be an election volunteer if you can.
Kids? Volunteering?
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Vance
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My crackpot theory is that he doesn’t actually want to win. I think he’s making so much money campaigning that he realized he could milk a couple more election cycles until the dummies get tired of him.
Nah. You’re describing the DNC. The charges DJT is facing are real. He needs the immunity and the ability to shut down the prosecutions. Not to mention how much MORE grift is available for a sitting president.
We know he needs the immunity, but I’m not sure he knows that. He’s dodged so many felonies at this point, he likely thinks he’s untouchable even if he loses. This is just speculation though, of course, based on my experience with my own maga family member’s tendencies to hand-wave away logic that makes them uncomfortable, especially when the topic is something that seriously affects them. You make some good points though. I think you’re right, but as I said, this is my loose crackpot theory xD
If he could strike a deal with the courts, that he doesn’t get prosecuted for any of this crimes… he would happily lose. More money in playing the victim.
Exactly. Grift for another election cycle while you further beta-test defrauding the elections, count on dem’s to not be able to close whatever loopholes you find, swoop in with a winning election theft strategy with Ivanka in tow as cover for Trump Sr’s advanced age and hail her as a true (conservative!) woman that can handle the presidency (unlike the bad brown skank monster), then close the elections permanently with Trump Jr becoming VP when Sr finally passes. Mass Civil unrest occurs and Ivanka steps down to return leadership to a strong man that can truly lead with an iron fist through the ensuing Civil War in true fascist fashion.
Of course, they would never get away with all of that (because average Americans ARE good people, and there are plenty of good people fighting this possible future), but IMHO this is probably close to their best wet dreams.
This is correct. They are not planning to win with votes.
Chaos is just the first part of their plan. The whole purpose is for generating lawsuits that make their way to the Supreme Court.
The weirdo Republican’s entire plan is to have the SC hand the dictatorship to Trump, irrespective of the Electoral results. Harris could win Texas and be over 300 Electoral votes and the SC will still hand it to Trump.
Do you really think those 6 idiots handed the office of the President immunity? HAH! They handed TRUMP immunity. They absolutely will NOT see a Democrat with that immunity in the Presidency after the election.
It has to stay out of the Supreme Court’s claws. At this point, I really don’t see how it WON’T end up at the SC.
Exactly. Reminder for those who still don’t fully appreciate the scope of the problem: fully one third of SCOTUS were lawyers for Bush in Bush v. Gore. This is their endgame and their purpose: invalidating the vote to coronate a Republican dictator is what they were put on the court to do.
I would hope that a blatantly corrupt ruling by the Supreme Court that hands power to Trump would be enough to get Biden to just disregard their ruling as illegal, put down the coup attempt and arrest anyone found to have been conspiring to overthrow the government. It would be horrible for it to get to that point, but in that nightmare scenario it would be the least bad option.
If the Court blatantly rejects a valid election and throws their support behind a coup attempt, they will have already abandoned the institutional norms that the system relies on in order to function. Going along with it would only do more damage. The only way to repair the damage at that point is by stopping the plot, preserving the proper outcome of the election and removing insurrectionists from positions of power.
OMG… I so completely agree with you and that terrifies me.
If the Supreme Court throws out a legitimate win by Harris, then they need to be removed and tried for treason. Because that is EXACTLY what it would be.
Chaos is a ladder
Chaos is just the first part of their plan.
How did you gain this insider knowledge?
There are two types of people in the world:
- Those that can extrapolate from incomplete data.
Honestly, the “incomplete” part of this data set is simply admission. They’re actions, largely their lawsuits and hounding of election officials, is pointing directly at this, with the SC ruling, it is all but said.
Defeat Trump soundly. As soon as election officials refuse to certify, slap them in jail and charge them with serious crimes IMMEDIATELY instead of fucking around for 4 goddamn years like the last time. Long prison terms and huge fines, or preferably, extraordinary rendition to Afghanistan and revoke their passport.
Alternative Headline: “Conservatives Fuck Around, Insist on Finding Out”
Can we just hand out “I’m with Stupid” shirts as they vote with arrows pointing to themselves?
Biden can seal-team-6 them.
He’s pretty well committed to not doing that, and it’s very much unclear to me if the military would actually go ahead with following that kind of order.
It’s too late to “get ready”. They aren’t planning to win with votes.
It’s a good thing then that the sitting VP is bestowed the power to unilaterally decide who wins the presidency.
Except they don’t. Didn’t we learn that from 1/6/21?
If we get that far. The voters have to make it past Local Sheriffs on the ground.
There’s also a Coalition of Right Wing Sheriffs wandering around somewhere.
This is why you should track your local fascists! Check out https://magatmap.com and help out!
EDIT - I’m curious why the down voting.
Lol the maga map could use the same format as the Christian surveillance app that they use to harass people..
If you think your county or state won’t certify election results, make sure to call them and tell them exactly how you feel about it.
So they’ll know how to not hurt your feelings?
Pretty weird thing to say, bucko
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What a waste of processing power.
This is actually fine. Let them do it. They won’t change anything, but they will look silly and the entire world will see it.
There’s something of a history of racist groups overthrowing elections in the US.
Yes but there was no internet or helicopters back then. That spat that took 50 years for scholars to figure out would flash right in front of everyone just like Jan 6.
Jan 6 failed because a black cop decided to push the leader of the attacking mob, so that they followed him instead of going through an open door into the Senate chamber. It came that close.
They’ve had practice now.
No Congress-persons were in danger, ever. The only danger was to law enforcement and those rioting. Even if they had truly and utterly taken control of the Capitol building, Congress would have continued on with the counting elsewhere.
I really think you’re overestimating the likelihood of this sort of thing happening. It is not the 18th century and the US is not an undeveloped place with weak institutional systems.
The Republican party has been making a real effort to weaken institutions and things came remarkably close to killing members of congress. They literally had a gallows outside and gave interviews saying how they planned to hang people.
Yes of course they are making those efforts and saying those things. I’m suggesting that they are disorganized and stupid so the likelihood if success is infinitesimally small.
Also the US capitol has been attacked in the past. They have had escape systems in place for ages, especially from during the Cold War. There are so many resiliency and fallback plans. Congress can just pick up and continue in a secure location if they have to.
I think they’ve learned from past disorganization, and are likely to be a lot better next time.
It is not the 18th century and the US is not an undeveloped place with weak institutional systems.
Nobody thought that a mob of people could barge into the Capitol Building, either, and yet it did. Our institutional systems have exploitable flaws, like all do. You have to do the tedious work of bulletproofing your systems based on hypotheticals (“What if somebody did this?”) as well as fixing flaws after exploitation actually occurs.
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” is stupid. It’s much, much harder to fix something after it’s broken.
This isn’t an if it ain’t broke moment. I really do think people overestimate what these people are capable of doing. Yea they can spend an afternoon having a temper tantrum but can they really change a government, which would require a sustained attack against a professional military?l
Yea they can spend an afternoon having a temper tantrum but can they really change a government, which would require a sustained attack against a professional military?l
Why would the military be involved in certifying an election?
So we setup police on certification day to arrest anyone working the polls who breaks the laws concerning transition of power.
Simple as.
There’s a higher percentage of police in the MAGAt crowd than the general populous. I’m not sure that’s the best idea.
If electors can be compromised, so can police though.
Congress is responsible for certifying the election, not local voting precincts. The local precincts simply collect the ballots, counties/parishes tally the totals, who then forward those totals to their respective states, which are then sent to Congress via the electoral college. It is up to Congress to receive them, and then certify the results.
