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    Sadly the maga ones are incapable of self reflection. They’ll just say that the “fake news” is lying about him because the democrats control the media and every other facet of their lives

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      I just had one of my coworkers earlier today tell me that Tim Walz legalized abortion in MN up to 1 day after birth. We live in MN. These people are so fucking brainwashed that they’ve lost all touch of reality.

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          I’ve learned from my dogs and ducks that the dangerous thing about living so close to so much shit is that after awhile you get used to the smell.

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            And like a dog start eating it? Holy shit I like that saying about dogs and ducks hahah.

            Edit: wait …

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      This is very apparent if you go on a YouTube news comment section. It’s basically all salty conservatives lmao. They’re in panic mode

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      What’s with this defeatist shit?

      It’s not impossible to show people they’re in the wrong. Often, I’d argue even for most, it’s just a matter of time and the individual being exposed to direct consequences.

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        I’m a little confused by your reply? I’m not saying all republicans are bad, I’m strictly talking about maga republicans. They refuse to acknowledge facts and label them as fake news the minute it conflicts with their world view. I’ve tried having discussions with maga on Reddit and it would always dissolve into “that’s fake news! They’re trying to paint Trump in a bad light!”. The last one I talked to was u/illidari_extremist (he’s also a raging racist who blames black people for his life) and when I presented him with video evidence of Trump saying he would date a 10 year old in 10 years he ended up calling it a fake video and blocked me.

        You can try to talk to them but I’m done. I’d rather put my time and effort into talking with people who are not in a cult or have a cult mentality.

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          I’ll sometimes still engage that kind of idiot. It’s not about convincing them they are wrong, but having the contradictory evidence directly alongside their crazy claims. Someone else that’s been living under a rock for the past… decade (fucking hell) might not be sucked in by the crazy.

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            You don’t even have to have been living under a rock, people are born all the time and people develop at different rates which means there are constantly people at different stages of mental growth and constantly people learning things for the first time. Everybody had to learn the things that they know but a lot of people seem to forget that just because they have learned something, it doesn’t mean everyone else has.

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          And you know, it’s valid if you wanna switch course.

          I think it’s alright to take breaks but that ideology of “I give up with these people” can be addictive for some and I just wanted to make the contrary view available for people to see too.

          Education is ultimately key. You can use their tactics against them too sometimes. Don’t forget maga morons do botnets and stuff too. There’s lots of ways to combat the fascist!

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        One thing to remember is a lot of these people would need literal cult deprogramming, which while possible, is not likely in their cases because… who’s going to do it? Why would they bother to sit through it?

        This would be ‘intervention’ levels of requirement, so there are some people who are, for all practical purposes, out of reach.

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          I totally agree. I don’t think adults should be without education programs if I’m being honest. Businesses usually prefer cert programs which require continuing education to prove historical and continual knowledge, why not do this with adults? I think the media could easily do this if they were somehow incentivized to broadcast more educational material in a relatable way to adults.

          Knowledge it power, why are we stopping/hindering adults from continually growing? I see 4 day work weeks work so well elsewhere - that’s another thing. Idk man, the planets burning too… we have so many problems facing us ahead I just wanna make sure I can do what I can

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            Knowledge it power, why are we stopping/hindering adults from continually growing?

            Often it’s intentional. The Republican party in the US is notorious for this, the insistence they keep their constituents ignorant (and let’s be clear, there are far more people who are ignorant than stupid in this situation.)

            Here in Canada there’s a very strong ‘anti-science’ theme coming from the Right that has caught on. Often Conservative voters, when asked about policy, completely agree with, say the NDP or Liberal platform, but not when they hear the party name.

            It’s been shown time and again that people who vote conservatively are more easily swayed with fake news/obfuscation/Russian garbage, so as a society we have to be extra vigilant of it.

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        It’s different for everyone, but some people will only admit they’re wrong to compassionate people.

        People will fight their enemies, but they’re willing to let their guard down among friends.

        I think that’s one of the reasons why MLK Jr got killed. His enemies didn’t know how to fight him or his beliefs. He forced people to view each other as humans and that’s a tough pill to swallow for people who don’t have a capacity to give or ask for forgiveness.

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          I don’t think we have to tolerate those people though either.

          It’s called the paradox of intolerance and was pretty simply solved:

          Tolerance is a contract. If someone isn’t participating, you do not have to participate with them.

          In fact, I think that being tolerant to the intolerant is akin to being complicit. Who would want to tolerate people who are disrespecting your established cultural norms of freedom and tolerance??

          Disrespectful + anti American + dated + impedes progress

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        I might not be getting it, but why does a theme of trees/nature specifically counter the MAGA hat like that?

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            I was born in the Midwest and I’ve lived in a few different places around the country, mostly variations on the south. But I’m also a progressive that has lived amongst redhats a lot. I think one of the most disarming things to say to them is some polite version of “mind your own business.”

            Pretty much everyone will agree they don’t want the government butting into their personal lives and framing things in that way is a good way to find common ground.

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          Because the right has co-opted the camo look as well as hunting. Tim Walz is was literally the best shot in congress.

          Edit: clarity for past and present so people don’t misunderstand

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              Who was in Congress when the shooting contest I’m talking about happened.

              What’s wrong with you? Do you think he just fell out of the coconut tree? He exists in the context of all that came before his current position.

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                Nothing’s wrong with me, your statement implied currently. He is not currently in congress and that contest took place in 2015. Use clearer language if you don’t want people to correct you.

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        I’m not even sure where the encouragement part comes from. Women start to bleed at puberty, it’s pretty much non-optional. How fucking weird does one have to be to purposefully ignore this? It’s like not wanting to put toilet paper in the shitter.

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    20 years ago, Republicans would go into a back room and spend six weeks cooking up the most cynical, mendacious, bigoted dogwhistles yet conceived by man, then strategically leak shit to the press via their online fronts and far-right propaganda outlets. They’d build a rumor mill around the claim Kerry faked his purple heart or leak doctored files to end Dan Rather’s career. They’d spread a bunch of FUD about The Next 9/11 being a brief case dirty bomb carried into the US across the border as part of a drug deal. And they’d whip up hysteria in every church south of the Mason Dixon line about gay liberals trying to force churches to marry them.

    Now Walz gets on the ticket and six Groypers just start spamming Twitter with “He’s probably a pedophile!” and “Look at this obvious AI generated image of Jeffery Epstein”, then call it a day.

    The GOP has fallen so far.

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    They’re not trying to convince the general public, they’re trying to convince themselves, and that’s a significantly easier goal.