https://t.me/c/1899284653/24171
There are new reports that he’s in the hospital. I will undelete this post if his death is confirmed.
Z-war correspondent Poddubny is alive, Kursk regional hospital reported
His hospitalization in the Kursk Regional Hospital was confirmed to the Defense Ministry’s Zvezda TV channel. Soon this information was confirmed by Poddubny’s employer, the VGTRK television and radio company. The Z-war correspondent was wounded as a result of a UAV attack.
The video allegedly shows Poddubny being hospitalized.
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Sure but if you’re in the military vehicle with military personnel your presence doesn’t somehow disqualify the military vehicle from being a legitimate target.
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He wasn’t wearing UN blue with PRESS patches, instead wearing Russian camo. That’s a big no no. Even non standard RA kit like black body armor is better. But you gotta wear white PRESS patches if you don’t want to be mistaken for a combatant. That being said, all embedded correspondents take the risk. No situation is ideal, but a technical with military markings is absolutely fair game.
I agree no journalist should ever be targeted, regardless of their bias. Knowing Poddubny shouldn’t be targeted is why I know a NYT journalist won’t be targeted. They are in live combat zones though, and sadly people uninvolved do die in war.
Source: work in doc/investigative journalism
Here’s an example of what his kit should look like:
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On the photo he looks like a Russian soldier.
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A man in a group with Russian soldiers wearing the same cameo outfit and gear as these soldiers is looking like a soldier, even if at the very moment of the drone attack he might not have carried a weapon.
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A state employed propagandist is no journalist, though.
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They still are. If we start ignoring the rules of war for people we disagree with, the enemy gets legitimized to do the same, and we end up with no rules at all
I’m not advocating in favor of targeting him specifically but he’s also definitely not a journalist. He’s employed by the Russian government as a propagandist. Don’t misrepresent his role.
if it’s true that he was embedded in a unit, and wearing a military uniform and no press insignia, then I also agree that he was a valid target. But even state propagandists are and should be protected when they’re at the front in the role of journalist, however dubious their nature might be. The political spin of their reporting doesn’t matter, the only thing that lets them lose that status is direct participation in hostilities, i.e. either picking up a weapon and fighting themselves, or abusing their position to spy on enemy positions
Eroding these protections just makes the work of every other war correspondent more dangerous
Typically legit reporters wear no camo and vests that identify them as journalists.
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Don’t take your rage out on me. I didn’t say he deserved to die, I simply said what I know from my experience with reporters in Iraq.
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When their primary responsibilities are pushing propaganda they become enemy combatants. The pen is mightier, after all.
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Should they be killed? No. Am I losing sleep over it? Also no.
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Murder is wrong, always.
Murdering the people who are murdering you, a grey area that ought not exist.
That’s where the logic where we can be happy a foreign “journalist spreading propaganda” is killed exists, cognitive dissonance is a universal human trait.
Ooooh, binary. I love binary. It’s so black and white. Really easy to define, too.
If someone on the ground is falsy reporting the war, then they have lost their journalistic integrity. They are no longer protected. Claiming to be a journalist and falsely reporting the war is like the kid who plays tag and claims that everything they touch is “safe” so they can’t be tagged. I’m sorry, but that isn’t what war journalism is. War journalism is reporting the horrific truths of what is happening. If you are going out there and telling lies, then you aren’t a journalist, you are just that shitty kid that no one wants to play with because you make up your own rules.
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Goddamn. How someone with such low reading comprehension can be arguing about journalism is beyond me. Holy shit.
SHOULD. SHOULD. SHOULD.
I never said they should be killed. Fucking Christ. What I am saying is that they should not have the protections you think they should.
If I go out and start twerking on the front line for tiktok and claim I’m a journalist, should I be protected? Should the enemy adjust fire so as not to hit me? Cause if that’s the case, I have a great post for c/noncredibledefense. Fucking hell. A propagandist is not a journalist. They do not get the same protections. Yes, if they are shot and killed while spreading lies, they brought it on themselves. They could have stayed in their studio and done the same. I do not mourn the liars on the front lines.
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It has to be binary, no nuance? So you’re against killing the press obviously, so let me ask you this: if he was providing information and physically helping the was effort by moving resources and planning, is it ok then? Does being in the press give you a pass to do anything and not be caught up in the war, or is there nuance and it isn’t binary?
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So what about taking pictures of troop movements for the press? That could aid the military. You can act as the press and get crucial information, even go behind enemy lines and get that info. Where do you draw the line? Could someone under label of press gather tons of intel then broadcast it as “news”?
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Is it not obvious to you that not all governments are equal? Ukraine was invaded for no reason except for Putin’s longing for the Soviet Union or the idea of an empire that can compete with the West.
The propagandists cheer for every bombing of Ukraine and say “we must do more”. Tatarsky, who was killed in Saint Petersburg, even had fought in the Donbas, and there’s a more recent video of him saying “let’s kill and rob”.
There are laws in many countries that can get you locked up for advocating for killing people or making serious threats. In war, arresting may not always be an option.
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That is a war crime. Very explicitly so.
Participating in state run war propaganda is just as deadly as shooting a rifle.
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That doesn’t make it any less true or relevant.
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Israel is a really bad example, they beat even the Russians when it comes to targeting journalists
And you’re painting the press and black or white which isn’t how reality works.
You can easily have a reporter start directly aiding the war effort through misinformation and recon.
But please, keep living in a make believe world where everyone acts honestly and no one ever abuses their status. Sounds nice.
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Old? Your response was 5 days ago, sorry I don’t live on social media lol.
But sure, come at me for not digging into every response you’ve ever made and just having a direct convo directly with you lol.
You keep trying to paint “participate in the war effort” as black and white, which you admit. Simply inspiring people to join the military by painting a picture of the war front is participation in the war effort, you can’t ignore that. They have more soldiers because of the actions of the press. And since it is black and white, by your logic they lose protection by doing that. Well if thats the case then this was a clean kill. Glad we finally agree.
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Look at the picture and his history of working in the field. He cosplayed as Russian soldiers, traveled in military vehicles and made no effort to mark himself or others as press or journalist. There is no reasonable way anyone not familiar with him would have been able to pick him out from other soldiers he was embedded with. Probably the only thing that would mark him as press would be him talking to a camera.
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Probably wasnt individually targeted himself
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It’s the internet. People will spread crazy shit everywhere. Don’t have to go far on lemmy to find an account who thinks north korea is an examplary regime. Take it all with some salt. Thankfully (for now) it isn’t representative of the opinions of most people.
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