I hate to say it, but until trans people are normalized in American society, pointing out that his daughter is trans is probably necessary for people to understand why Elon says he lost his son.
It also factors into Elon’s hatred of ‘woke mind virus’. Her transition has become an important event to explain him and their relationship. Sadly we rarely discuss her outside of an Elon context. At least so far.
Is it though? It just legitimizes it as a reason to separate her from other women. Until I see “So-and-So’s cis-gendered hetero daughter” I think we can agree it’s singling them out, not highlighting something in good faith. For example, and this is the BBC’s:
Elon Musk: Billionaire’s daughter cuts ties with her father | BBC
She’s a woman, who from what I can see is emancipated from her father. He’s a sack of shit, she’s voicing that. That’s the story.
We’re talking about whether or not it’s dehumanizing to constantly other trans people in a way that doesn’t apply to cis people. You kinda seem like you just want an argument though.
He didn’t lose a son because she is transgender. He lost a child because he’s a shitty father. And he thinks he lost a son because he is also a transphobe who refuses to accept her daughter. The why isn’t her gender, the why is Musks transphobia and shitty parenting.
IMO if you want to normalize trans people you should treat them like people and not stick a huge “transgender” sign above them.
If a lazy American just reads that Musk’s daughter disowned him, they’re not going to understand why and they will be less inclined to read on. I’m afraid that’s just how things are.
I think a big difference here is that you keep saying that this legitimizes him or his behaviour. That does not seem at all obvious to many of us.
Pointing out these facts provides context for those of us that don’t know. I do not believe it legitimizes anything. If you see it that way, you are probably on the extreme end of the issue ( either side ).
This is not an accusation. I can feel your genuine concern that it legitimizes his statements. I want to reassure you that it does not. The people that will take it as evidence of legitimacy do not need a reason to feel right. So who cares what they think?
It never would have occurred to me that her gender or gender history somehow supported Elon Musk until you started to say so.
I hate to say it, but until trans people are normalized in American society, pointing out that his daughter is trans is probably necessary for people to understand why Elon says he lost his son.
You’re not wrong, but I think we all really wish you were.
Sad thing is, clarifying Elon’s hatred by pointing his daughter is trans, gives credence to his take in some folks’ eyes.
The conversation maybe ugly, but it still has to be had.
He thinks the school system did this to his child, and he’s on a mission to stop the woke because of it.
You cant get that across when you just say his daughter.
But you don’t have to get that across in every discussion of her, either - that moves from discussing his vendetta over to defining her by it.
That’s why you read the whole article, not just the headline
It also factors into Elon’s hatred of ‘woke mind virus’. Her transition has become an important event to explain him and their relationship. Sadly we rarely discuss her outside of an Elon context. At least so far.
Is it though? It just legitimizes it as a reason to separate her from other women. Until I see “So-and-So’s cis-gendered hetero daughter” I think we can agree it’s singling them out, not highlighting something in good faith. For example, and this is the BBC’s:
She’s a woman, who from what I can see is emancipated from her father. He’s a sack of shit, she’s voicing that. That’s the story.
That doesn’t explain why. And the why here is important. Essential.
Headlines don’t typically contain the entire context. You have to actually read the article for the why.
And Americans often don’t read past the headlines.
That’s not what we’re talking about.
Seems to me like that’s exactly what we’re talking about- explaining things simply to lazy Americans.
We’re talking about whether or not it’s dehumanizing to constantly other trans people in a way that doesn’t apply to cis people. You kinda seem like you just want an argument though.
It looks more like what you were talking about than what anyone else was talking about:
On top of that, the person I initially responded to agreed with my point.
He didn’t lose a son because she is transgender. He lost a child because he’s a shitty father. And he thinks he lost a son because he is also a transphobe who refuses to accept her daughter. The why isn’t her gender, the why is Musks transphobia and shitty parenting.
IMO if you want to normalize trans people you should treat them like people and not stick a huge “transgender” sign above them.
If a lazy American just reads that Musk’s daughter disowned him, they’re not going to understand why and they will be less inclined to read on. I’m afraid that’s just how things are.
I think a big difference here is that you keep saying that this legitimizes him or his behaviour. That does not seem at all obvious to many of us.
Pointing out these facts provides context for those of us that don’t know. I do not believe it legitimizes anything. If you see it that way, you are probably on the extreme end of the issue ( either side ).
This is not an accusation. I can feel your genuine concern that it legitimizes his statements. I want to reassure you that it does not. The people that will take it as evidence of legitimacy do not need a reason to feel right. So who cares what they think?
It never would have occurred to me that her gender or gender history somehow supported Elon Musk until you started to say so.