“Half of the Israeli public is no longer in favor of the war,” one friend told me Saturday night as we witnessed thousands of Israelis take to the streets to protest the Israeli government under the slogan, “Elections Now.” “Yes, but the other half is all-in, and REALLY in favor,” responded his wife. “And they are the more powerful group.”

She, of course, is right. For months, reports of torture and rape have emerged from Israel’s military base turned torture camp, Sde Teiman, where Israel has imprisoned thousands of Palestinians without charge. I wrote about it in a previous diary earlier this month. Palestinians who have emerged from this torture camp refer to it as the “slaughterhouse” with horrendous tales of torture, rape, abuse, and sleep deprivation being meted out by Israeli prison guards. Nearly 30 Palestinians have died while in Sde Teiman and other prisons, according to the information provided to date.

And while the precise chain of events is unclear, what we do know is that the Israeli military advocate general decided to dispatch the military police to question nine Israeli soldiers on suspicion of gang-raping and sodomizing a Palestinian man from Gaza at Sde Teiman. The man was rushed to the hospital where he exhibited signs of rape, including a ruptured bowel and broken ribs. It would be a mistake to simply think that Israel’s actions in prisons like Sde Teiman came only after October. Since becoming Israel’s national security minister in 2022, ultranationalist Itamar Ben Gvir has made prisons his target, with him authorizing abuse against Palestinians. He has also called for the death penalty to solve problems of overcrowding.

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    It’s the best chance we’ve ever had. It would be foolish to punish her for stepping forward on this issue. It would just reinforce the status quo. If she goes back on it we’re just in the same situation. But it’s also possible that she actually holds Netanyahu accountable. She’s the only choice that’s even talked about doing that.

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      It’s possible, but given how presidents have ruled over the last 40 years, exceedingly unlikely. POTUS candidates on the campaign trail make a lot of promises they have no intention of keeping.

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        Yeah. But one way to move the ball ideologically is to eject elect people saying the right things. Eventually they have to actually do something and not just say something.

        If we give up or even try to vote for some 5d genius move where they said A so they mean B then all we ever get is the same old crap.

        Edit- Damn Google… That’s straight up evil.

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          we ever get is the same old crap.

          Exactly right.

          All you can do for yourself in this system is invest as much of your money as you can in the stock market, because that is going to be the primary focus of the person we elect, and the only way you’ll get any real measure of representation.

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            All you can do for yourself in this system is invest as much of your money as you can in the stock market

            That’s still supporting an abusive system. That’s possibly the brain of the abuser. We can not discard with one hand while clutching, with the other. To leave the abuser means making hard sacrifices, including any “benefits” that keep us bound to the abuser, because this benefits allow the abuser control.

            We’re not getting out without suffering. It’s a matter of making the decision and having the grit to deal with the unpleasant, but intermediate, consequences. Anything else is lying to ourselves.

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              I keep telling people to leave the abusers and vote Green instead.

              It’s not a message that’s generally received with any enthusiasm.

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                We can’t tell anyone what to do, or should do. We can offer potential options for them and their egos to sort. We have our own stuff to sort with our own egos, and a major stumbling block seems to be getting out of our own ways, and out of our own comfort zones.

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                  Personally, I don’t even think it’s that. I think it’s programming, like how people are brought up with religion. The devotion to political party is very similar.

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                    If we think of the Freudian paradigm of ID (instinctive drive/child self/ inner child, ego/middle self/in the driver’s seat, and superego/God/parent self, "Mommy and Daddy tapes), this is true; and from my perspective, with the colloquial/Buddhist use of ego, it still ties in, in that it takes a a good deal of setting ego aside, to admit that cherished beliefs, perhaps from good parents, schools, therapists, religious institutions may have been mistaken, even when well-intentioned. Would you agree?

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            Until it all collapses right before millennials need it because we gave up working to change anything.

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              It collapses once every 10-15 years now.

              If you’re a smaller investor, it’s good to have a percentage of your investment money set aside in savings to plan for this, because when it happens you can buy in to the stock market at a 90% discount.

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            invest as much of your money as you can in the stock market

            So, $0 because my body is too broken to be commodified. Can’t buy anyone’s vote. Sad.

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              Sadly, that’s absolutely true. Stories like yours are what I think of every time I hear there’s been another hundred billion dollars sent off to another country’s war from the US taxpayer.

              And it will be that way for as long as we only elect capitalists.