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Bottom looks like the Fabulous Power Rangers. Power rangers have done nothing but save the planet time & time again. We should be grateful for their service
Look up “statistics drag queens crimes against minors” on Google.
Now do the same for “statistics priests crimes against minors”.
Notice anything interesting?
If a certain narrative is relying only on isolated stories and journalistic reports, and the other has statistical studies to back up its claims, I’d trust the latter to have a closer grip on reality.
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This weird whataboutism that religious apologists engage in speaks really bad about you, but I’ll bite.
Any institution that gives adults authority over children and creates room for abuse should be scrutinized and have tight checks and controls. Fortunately, many educators across the West are taking action by teaching children about consent so that they’re capable of protecting their rights and calling out abuse against themselves as early as possible. Unfortunately, I’ve seen plenty of Conservatives lashing out against this and religious schools have a worrying tendency to resist incorporating comprehensive education about consent into their curriculum.
Well, yeah, then they wouldn’t be able to abuse children with impunity. Haven’t you been paying attention?
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Most of the people I’m around believe that priests and drag queens abuse children so that specific argument isn’t helpful. The issue is their news sources confirm and compound their general fear of the unknown.
Ofcourse you’d want to lump in priests with teachers.
Unfortunately the hypocrites don’t care that they’re hypocrites.
The problem is they don’t see it as hypocritical. Because they are the “good” ones.
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Anti-Muslim =/= Anti-Islam. If you instinctively react to criticism of Islam in a way that you don’t react to criticism of Christianity, you likely have a bias that you may want to check out. Broad criticisms against Muslims and/or Arabs is hate speech, and in certain cases, racism; criticizing Islam is as necessary for any society that wants to get rid of moral dogma as it is criticizing any other major religion.
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I agree with your first two points, but I think that the third one denotes lack of nuance.
Take a look at this thread. There are plenty of well reasoned anti-religion arguments that are found to be controversial (looking at the upvote/downvote proportion) to a degree that you aren’t going to see in a post where the object of criticism or mockery is Christian. The meme itself isn’t the epitome of comedy, but it’s close to the average to the channel; the essence of its criticism is correct and the target is religious figures, so I think my narrative explains that situation better.
This doesn’t mean there aren’t also people here who are motivated by bigotry, which we should shut down. In fact, I think that a lot of well meaning progressives instinctively suspect that, which is why they become overzealous at the minimum suspicion of racism, but take it to the worrying extreme of being suspicious of criticisms that they’d agree with if they were directed at the religions they grew up with.
Yeah, that “gentleman that he was” comment was A-tier sarcasm – vicious and beautiful. I wouldn’t be surprised if the 14 downvotes were just people concerned that a burn like that would speed up global warming.
That last bit was a joke, but the rest was true: it was a well-researched, incisive comment and did not deserve the downvotes it got.
I can see why there would be a danger here. If it wasn’t for the 64 upvotes, a deconverting Muslim might find this and feel like criticism of their “prophet” was somehow off-limits. They should always feel like they can come here and trash their religion just like we trash ours. It should never feel off-limits.
Although… now that I’m trying to imagine how it must look through the eyes of a deconverting Muslim, I’m very sorry, but I badly need to go on a rant now.
Okay. Rant over.
“Religion is shit and creates abuse.” - Woke “SPECIFIC RELIGION is shit and creates abuse. All hail MY GOD OF CHOICE!” - Yes, that’s hate speech. That’s just what it is.
If you have an issue with that, maybe try broadening your horizons on what shit is.
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This TikToker actually goes through all the news stories and logs every child abuse case and whether or not it’s a drag queen or trans person. She even publishes all the data so you can fact check. Currently the count of drag queens abusing kids is ZERO since she started. So… no, you’re wrong.
You’d be quite internet famous if you found inaccuracy. Please go for it.
Check it out, if you’re interested in learning or being correct: https://www.whoismakingnews.com/.
To be fair, we’ve got a pretty big backlog of priests that need prosecution so counting articles might bias the results.
And that’s on top of the untold thousands of children the Catholic (and other) churches murdered in their schools over the course of decades.
It’s kind of cheating when your compound has a graveyard.
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Link #3 is concerning, but not assault. That is a pedophile with CP.
Drag queens, and pretty much everyone else, have a substantially lower incidence rate of child assault than the clergy.
But if your point is literally trying to say “But ‘most’ isn’t the same as ‘all’!!1!!”, yeah fine. Be happy with your technicality, and miss the point completely.
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It isn’t misinformation, you’re simply making inferences that aren’t inherent to the post you’ve read. Exactly what the post title and text says is true. You’re either unable to cope with something like OCD (and therefore unable to accept the post as anything other than what you personally would consider ideal) or you’re being obtuse in order to derail the post as much as you can. But really it just seems like you just need to maybe chill out a bit, have a chuckle or don’t, and then move on.
Get your head out of your ass and look at reality objectively.
Your indignation is probably religiously based, so you’re automatically incapacitated to “look at reality objectively”.
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To me it seems that on lemmy (as it was/is in reddit) the majority of users is leaning more to one side (if not the extreme side) of the ideologies and people who try to be reasonable get quickly shut down for not fitting this or that narrative. That’s sad in my opinion because all it’s doing is replicating what used to be the norm on the opposite side of the spectrum and you can clearly see that most don’t even notice it. For all intents and purposes they believe 100% that they are right and therefore no nuances are allowed, period. But you know, maybe the biggot is you for not accepting that last 1% of the current narrative… I feel I’m in the same boat as you though.
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But you’re not being logical. The meme title states that one group has definitely hurt children. That’s simply a fact.
You then said: “But the way it’s worded is basically a claim into itself that the bottom group has NEVER…EVER harmed a child. Which, being an absolutist statement probably doesn’t hold water.”
That’s your non-factual interpretation of the statement. That’s how you saw it and that wasn’t based on any of the words contained in the title but what you thought they were trying to imply.
If you’re going to claim you’re solely interested in logic and fact then you really need to own that position.
FWIW, you’re not alone in your disappointment. I like Lemmy but critical thinking is in short supply.
So many of these instances are how folks come across, some are coarse and some not so much. Active voice, authoritative tone, and missing the vibe can really impact perception. Of course reality is highly nuanced, but low stake comment sections often aren’t. Just my 2c.
Your correction reveals some kind of hatred, but that between you, your psychiatrist and your meds.
Searching with a microscope for any case that gives credence to a sick group of haters doesn’t speak well of you, so I don’t particularly care about being unflinchingly objective. You don’t seem to be worth it.
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And yet you equate individual actions with MASSIVE FUCKOFF EFFORTS by thousands of people, all over the world, for decades, to give priests the ability to rape children on the daily.
If you actually equate these things I suggest a therapist.
First link was a crime from 2022, which is before the data set started. But also, the perpetrator wasn’t a drag queen. She was a pervert that liked dressing kids up in drag. That’s a straight non-drag person being psycho: https://nypost.com/2023/04/25/mom-who-mentored-drag-queen-11-sentenced-for-child-sex-crimes/. Not a drag queen.
Your second link was a guy who read at drag story hour in 2018, and assaulted a kid before that. No indication that he ever did drag before he assaulted the kid.
And if you need to stretch back to 2018 to find something… which weren’t even drag queens but were just tangentially related…, but only had to stretch back to last week to find a non-drag assaulter, are you really being honest? Or are you just trying to be correct?
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Doesn’t have to be after 2022. I was talking about that one website.
This is the first link you’ve provided that has a drag queen being an abuser. That one is horrible. Super bad. She should be punished.
More importantly, do you just… collect these? You got a weird kink my dude.
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That explains the poor quality links.
I’ve followed that other site for a couple months. She’s great on TikTok.
I claimed there were none on that site. This was accurate.
You should talk to someone about that need for pedantry. It shows a lack of understanding of how communication works. Maybe get a diagnosis. It will help. It helped me.
I tire of correcting you. Have a night!
Rather than admit that the other person was correct, you resort to ad hominem? This is exactly the insanity the other person is trying to fight.
Autism isn’t an insult. It’s a set of mental patterns. We can smell our own. It’s not an attack, it’s real advice.
Accuracy in statements that aren’t yours, you mean.
You’re playing the same disingenuous JAQoff games the alt-right does every single time they invade a forum.
Curious.
I can’t see the top story as I’m in the EU but the second one committed offences in 2008. From what I can tell, the TikToker is only recording ‘new’ cases i.e. cases where offences occurred after she started doing this. The third one you should definitley tell her about. There’s an email on her page.
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I don’t think anyone can realistically suggest that any group of people is 100% pedo-free. There are pedo priests, pedo cops, pedo mums, pedo traffic wardens etc etc so there is going to be a non-zero amount of drag artists that are pedos simply by virtue of the fact that pedos exist unfortunately.
I don’t agree that the spirit of this meme is suggesting no drag artist has ever hurt a child and I think it’s pretty fair to say, based on the data that does exist (poor quality though it is) that drag artists, as a group of people, are extremely low on the offending against kids front.
The arguments being used by some to suggest drag artists, as a group, are dangerous to kids (and I’m not suggesting you’re one of the people doing this) could be applied to any group of people that come into contact with any other group of people. I mean, Dennis Rader used to be a census taker - does that mean census takers as a group are fair game to be treated as likely to murder people by torture?
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Mate, I am totally not dog-piling you. I’m trying to be respectful but I would really like to know where the data is that led you to form the opinion that this is a numbers issue. Are you saying that if we had the data we’d see there’d be a roughly equal percentage of pedo priests as pedo drag artists?
I’m also not sure the meme is saying what you think it is. You seem to think it’s saying only one group has hurt kids but it doesn’t say that. It says that one group definitely have. i.e. that we know that priests definitely and in substantial numbers, hurt kids. It’s not saying no drag artist has ever hurt a kid, but that, as a group, we can’t say drag artists definitely hurt kids, whereas we clearly can say that about priests.
Both serial killers and librarians kill innocent strangers for no reason. Whew, I’m glad I’m being so clever and avoiding the black and white fallacy!
The real fallacy is religion
“Gotta rip that Band-Aid off now. You’ll thank me later.”
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Sorry to burst your bubble but drag queens and the trans community didn’t suddenly appear in the 2020s when ultra right wing media decided they were all diddlers. You don’t even need to dig deep. You’ve got surface level, mainstream examples like John Waters and Divine were killing it in the 70s. Shit, Gore Vidal wrote Myra Breckenridge in the 60s and had a movie made of it with Raquel Welch
Plus, if you want a more academic history of sexual expression and gender expression, Foucault and Butler have written plenty. And all their books are old as fuck and talk about people from a long ass time ago
Add onto that, the Catholic Church’s history of child abuse is pretty much always analyzed across the latter half of the 20th century and now the 21st century. When’s the last time you saw someone call out the church over pedophilia by saying, “hey, did you know that Pope Innocent III molested an altar boy in 1203 A.D.”
So yeah naw. Roasting the church harder than drag queens isn’t biased, it isn’t reactionary, and the academic interest isn’t missing.
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You really don’t understand how any of this works, do you?
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You can’t just walk into a doctors office and say My KiD wAnTs a GeNdEr ChAnGe and get surgery. That’s not how it fucking works. Go educate yourself, your ignorance is palpable.
THE FACTS ABOUT GENDER-AFFIRMING CARE
●Every credible medical organization – representing over 1.3 million doctors in the United States – calls for age-appropriate gender-affirming care for transgender and non-binary people.
●Sexual orientation and gender identity are real concepts recognized by major medical and mental health associations — including the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry — as part of the normal spectrum of human experience.
●“Transition-related” or “gender-affirming” care looks different for every transgender and non-binary person.
●Parents, their kids, and doctors make decisions together, and no medical interventions with permanent consequences happen until a transgender person is old enough to give truly informed consent.
●Gender transition is a personal process that can include changing clothes, names, and hairstyles to fit a person’s gender identity. Some people take medication, and some do not; some adults have surgeries, and others do not. How someone transitions is their choice, to be made with their family and their doctor.
●Therapists, parents and health care providers work together to determine which changes to make at a given time are in the best interest of the child
●ALL gender-affirming care is:
Age-appropriate
Medically necessary
Supported by all major medical organizations
Made in consultation with medical and mental health professionals AND parents
And in many cases, this care is lifesaving!
“Group” is the keyword here.
Some people in the bottom group hurt children (like in mostly every sizeable group, unfortunately), while the top group as an entity hurt children. There’s no Drag Queen organization protecting drag queens with proven child molestation records. Meanwhile, churches have done that for ages, and I don’t remember of a single priest facing consequences from the church itself for illegal behavior around children.
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Thinking. You’ve encountered it. Keep going.
Be better.
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Honey, you’re the one out here making claims with absolutely nothing to back your bullshit up.
STATISTICS, FUCKER. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THEM?
No, you clearly don’t, because you’re a right-wing troll that’s only here to start shit on subjects you know nothing about.
Go away. Adults are talking.
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Both groups had been involved with exploiting children. Percentage comprision of crime/population reflects both in bad lights.
I don’t think this meme does what OP think it does
Gonna need some stats on that there, guy.
No of children abused by priests are shamefully large. But no of priest are too. So even if there are few cases of child molestation by drag cases, if you’ll calculate on percentage itll look comparable. Both the scenarios will not yield more than 1 percent ( i am taking about higher side)
That’s why I don’t think that this meme is doing what OP think it does
The propaganda that’s been fed to you isn’t statistics.
He asked for a source and you gave your feewings. Do you see how ridiculous you sound? Of course you don’t…
Sources
We
Want
Them
hypothetical stats are just as valid as real empirical data 🤡
Speak for yourself. I would rather leave my 7 years old with any drag queen artist rather than a priest alone in a church. Hell it’s not even close. Just thinking about that makes my skin crawl
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Statistically your kids will be safe with both.
Liberal night feel safer with drag and conservative might feel safer with a priest.
Then give me the actual stats. Where are they?
The conservative would feel safer with a priest?
Is that why so many of my churchy friends have to warn each other about not being alone with specific people? Or leaving their children alone with certain individuals?
Meanwhile I’m still waiting for anyone to provide any evidence of a massive drag queen pedo conspiracy on the level of the the known abuse of the Catholic church, Boy Scouts, college athletics…
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I am not even in US to pick sides. I just follow news
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https://lemm.ee/comment/1791974
I justified my statement here. If no one knows w How percentage works then they should blame their education rather than anyone else
You don’t show any stats or sources, you’re the one who doesn’t understand how stats work.
See this
https://lemmy.world/comment/1994737
it is funny how tribal people are these days. Not willing to even acknowledge baad actor on their side. People asking for source as no drag person ever got caught in child abuse related crime
No, we’re asking for the statistics you claim to have. What studies did you get these stats from?
they should blame their education
He said without a single hint of irony
We’re not asking for justifications.
Justifications are hollow and useless.
We want evidence. Sources. You’re making claims and not offering a shred of anything tangible as evidence. It’s just one big “trust me bro” and we (or at least I) don’t do that.
I just follow news
Not very fucking well, clearly.
¿Source?
There’s no drag queen church to protect them from their crimes and shuffle them around to another diocese so that they can continue hurting children. I would say that’s the most glaring difference here.
Could you share your sources for this statement please?
Okay, cool, so where are your statistics?
You do realize that literally any “group” you care to create will, in fact, be “involved in exploiting children” if it’s large enough and your definition of “exploiting” is disingenuous enough, right?
Of course you do. But you don’t care. You just want those scary men in dresses to stop making you feel weird in your pants, don’t you?
It’s fine. Just go with it. Be one of the girls. Your god doesn’t care, because your god doesn’t exist.
*more than one group
God I know it’s beside the point, but man that season was such a powerhouse of queens.
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both fucking suck, top is worse by far
Both are equally degenerate
raping kids is worse ngl mate
And chopping off their diks is even worse ngl mate
the bottom is just exhibitionist autogynophiles forcing us to watch them in fetish as they demean women and demand respect from society. literslly just blackface for women i hate it so much. im not claiming however we’ve seen large rape amounts by them so top is way fucjing worse. both fucking suck though
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And?
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