yeah, yummy meat. I like it a lot. Sometimes i salt it than dry it myself, and god, does it taste delicious. I might be bothered by the cruelty of all this meat industry, but guess what, if i were to choose, i’d rather be a farm pig. Anything actually that does not comprehend the cruelty of this reality, and i’m not talking about farms here. Also, unlike most of us they go away quickly.
P.S. fyi, latest studies show that plants might also feel the pain. Sorry to disappoint you guys, but it seems like we are just doomed to bring more suffering in this world. You better find a way to cope with this before it became more researched.
I think most people dont even care about pain. CO2 is rising and we are all going to die. We eat too much meat without thinking either. Its nonsense to eat that much meat. Once a month is perfectly fine.
If you care about CO2 that much, go strangle a billionaire or two, or, i don’t know, go change how our whole grocerie system works, because if you didn’t know, everything we find at stores is produced with great margin. Most of the product simply being destroyed simply to keep the prices where they are.
I certainly don’t care about CO2. Why? “We all die”? No, silly, some of us will (both of us most certainly), but don’t underestimate our species’ adaptability. And you know what, it’s fucking beautiful because eight billion is a bit too much. That’s a perfect self regulation kinda thing.
Its nonsense to eat that much meat. Once a month is perfectly fine.
Its nonsence to eat such overprocessed food as some of you vegans do i could say. Not that i would mean it. All I’m saying, the amount of any type of food is a matter of personal preference, And since we both live at the time when we could afford such a luxurious thing as an ability to choose what to eat, and not just consume whatever we were able to find/produce, i would like to try to enjoy this little bliss. Fuck you guys for even attempting to ruin it for me, and then telling me what to do, you brave don quixotes fighting your imaginary windmills.
whether or not we can live without meat (we can), we certainly can’t live without plants. Even if you eat only meat, you depend on plants (and roughly 10x as much) in a lower trophic level. There is currently no way to avoid starving to death or dying of malnutrition without harming plants
well duh. Not my point. It was just so funny that you actually used kinda the same rhetorics as meatlovers usually do.
Anyway, i still wanna adress your arguments.
We can live without meat in the same manner we can live without plants. Good luck on getting your minimal daily value of b12 or d3. You can always get them in the form of pills, too bad animals still will be hurt for that.
Fatty acids and fats are important too, as the modern studies show (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5577766/ ), what about them?
My point is, you can have no meat in your diet just as you can have a meat only nutrition, both need to be adjusted with bioactive supplements.
Also, since most guys here don’t know any better than simply to press the vote down button without actually answering, and you seem to be the one that actually wants to discuss the topic, may i ask you a question?
How come that we blame meat industry, and i cite (surprisingly, from wikipedia page for meat), for global warming, pollution and biodiversity loss (last one actually surprised me), while it is our endless fields of wheat are the reason we have little to no forests where they were normal not so long ago, therefore less co2 being processed back into o2, and it is this very fields we cover in chemicals therefore the pollution and biodiversity loss. I mean, it almost seem like meat industry is just a handy target to blame, while certain guys can continue doing their business.
Note that an estimated 90% of global farm animals are factory farmed, and are fed monocrops like corn and soy that humans can eat. It’s about 10 times more efficient to eat the plants directly than the animals due to Trophic Levels, so if you’re worried about plants feeling pain you’d reduce their pain by eating them directly instead of their inefficient middlemen.
good point. i don’t kill them though, silly, there are people to do it for me.
Also, unlike us, animals eat literal grass which does not require all kinds of fossil fuel machines, tons of earth-polluting pesticides, you know, stuff like that. Also we don’t need to exterminate trees in order to be able to herd them, you know, that long things sticking up from the ground, producing oxygen, green all the spring, summer, and even autumn, unlike wheat and stuff.
yeah, yummy meat. I like it a lot. Sometimes i salt it than dry it myself, and god, does it taste delicious. I might be bothered by the cruelty of all this meat industry, but guess what, if i were to choose, i’d rather be a farm pig. Anything actually that does not comprehend the cruelty of this reality, and i’m not talking about farms here. Also, unlike most of us they go away quickly.
P.S. fyi, latest studies show that plants might also feel the pain. Sorry to disappoint you guys, but it seems like we are just doomed to bring more suffering in this world. You better find a way to cope with this before it became more researched.
I think most people dont even care about pain. CO2 is rising and we are all going to die. We eat too much meat without thinking either. Its nonsense to eat that much meat. Once a month is perfectly fine.
If you care about CO2 that much, go strangle a billionaire or two, or, i don’t know, go change how our whole grocerie system works, because if you didn’t know, everything we find at stores is produced with great margin. Most of the product simply being destroyed simply to keep the prices where they are.
I certainly don’t care about CO2. Why? “We all die”? No, silly, some of us will (both of us most certainly), but don’t underestimate our species’ adaptability. And you know what, it’s fucking beautiful because eight billion is a bit too much. That’s a perfect self regulation kinda thing.
Its nonsence to eat such overprocessed food as some of you vegans do i could say. Not that i would mean it. All I’m saying, the amount of any type of food is a matter of personal preference, And since we both live at the time when we could afford such a luxurious thing as an ability to choose what to eat, and not just consume whatever we were able to find/produce, i would like to try to enjoy this little bliss. Fuck you guys for even attempting to ruin it for me, and then telling me what to do, you brave don quixotes fighting your imaginary windmills.
Its true that its nonsense to eat overprocessed food.
Idc about it.
we can’t live without plants
some say we can’t live without meat
whether or not we can live without meat (we can), we certainly can’t live without plants. Even if you eat only meat, you depend on plants (and roughly 10x as much) in a lower trophic level. There is currently no way to avoid starving to death or dying of malnutrition without harming plants
well duh. Not my point. It was just so funny that you actually used kinda the same rhetorics as meatlovers usually do.
Anyway, i still wanna adress your arguments. We can live without meat in the same manner we can live without plants. Good luck on getting your minimal daily value of b12 or d3. You can always get them in the form of pills, too bad animals still will be hurt for that. Fatty acids and fats are important too, as the modern studies show (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5577766/ ), what about them? My point is, you can have no meat in your diet just as you can have a meat only nutrition, both need to be adjusted with bioactive supplements.
Also, since most guys here don’t know any better than simply to press the vote down button without actually answering, and you seem to be the one that actually wants to discuss the topic, may i ask you a question? How come that we blame meat industry, and i cite (surprisingly, from wikipedia page for meat), for global warming, pollution and biodiversity loss (last one actually surprised me), while it is our endless fields of wheat are the reason we have little to no forests where they were normal not so long ago, therefore less co2 being processed back into o2, and it is this very fields we cover in chemicals therefore the pollution and biodiversity loss. I mean, it almost seem like meat industry is just a handy target to blame, while certain guys can continue doing their business.
Note that an estimated 90% of global farm animals are factory farmed, and are fed monocrops like corn and soy that humans can eat. It’s about 10 times more efficient to eat the plants directly than the animals due to Trophic Levels, so if you’re worried about plants feeling pain you’d reduce their pain by eating them directly instead of their inefficient middlemen.
Vegans kill the least plants though because of something called trophic energy loss. Most plants are fed to animals you kill.
good point. i don’t kill them though, silly, there are people to do it for me.
Also, unlike us, animals eat literal grass which does not require all kinds of fossil fuel machines, tons of earth-polluting pesticides, you know, stuff like that. Also we don’t need to exterminate trees in order to be able to herd them, you know, that long things sticking up from the ground, producing oxygen, green all the spring, summer, and even autumn, unlike wheat and stuff.