Is there a source for these haughty, cackling archeologists making fun of hairdressers or is that just to manufacture some kind of underdog victory scenario?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Stephens
Meme is dramaticised of course.
The latter. “everybody clapped” clickbait.
If you want an actual example of a haughty, cackling asshole ignoring a woman’s expertise, this clip of Joe Rogan will make your blood boil
a haughty, cackling asshole ignoring a woman’s expertise
Boy howdy, that’s a spot-on description. Never listened to him because I expected it to be trash; but I didn’t realize the situation was so dire
Motherfucker leans into sensationalism and shock-value, because he’ll be forgotten as soon as he shuts the fuck up—and of course he won’t have any useful skills to hold a job with real value afterward. Fucking cowardly shits, afraid to work on something of substance when the fame/infamy runs dry
So yeah, it indeed made my blood boil a little lol. Wish I could say it was mostly pity for him being so… dumb? But nah, that’s a person acting like garbage and should be treated as such (until proven otherwise)
To be fair, while I haven’t listened to a ton of Rogan, that’s easily the most openly vile thing I’ve heard from him. And it’s not from his show, he’s a guest on some call in show. It’s also an older clip.
Usually his schtick is a lot more subtle, “I’m just asking questions, I’m just open to hearing all sides, I just happen to platform Nazis and never push back on their opinions because I’m so open, also I think trans people are evil”
You know. You know the fuckin type.
Also, why does that have to be the only solution? There were wet things that turned harder when they dried back then, too.
I love this story because just imagine the setup.
All the top world archaeologists are in the biggest archaeology summit trying to figure this out. The queer son of the most famous archaeologist was visiting because his dad was trying to make him a real man and follow science instead of fashion. He takes a look at the poorly design slides being project and makes a snarky remark. “they’re definitely sewed 💀😭💅”. But everyone made fun of him so he took it personally. The next day he came back with an exact replica of the hair style sewed on his bestie’s hair. In awe, everyone got up and clapped. The kid’s name? Albert fucking Einstein.
Not sure whether you meant to express disbelief or just to be silly, but you did make me wonder if this meme was legit or not. It is!
Yes, but also:
And the journals quickly recognized her expertise.
So no crying historians in that story. She researched, proposed an article and the community said: “Good idea!” The whole “Oh, all those fine scientists laughed about the average joe/jane!” is just a common tale in those stories.
It’s a common conservative thing to own the libs.
Also wasn’t so fast:
Through trial and error she found that she could achieve the hairstyle by sewing the braids and bits together, using a needle. She dug deeper into art and fashion history books, looking for references to stitching.
In 2005, she had a breakthrough. Studying translations of Roman literature, Ms. Stephens says, she realized the Latin term “acus” was probably being misunderstood in the context of hairdressing. Acus has several meanings including a “single-prong hairpin” or “needle and thread,” she says. Translators generally went with “hairpin.”
Wow, that’s some serious anthropology, that’s awesome!
Thanks to you and @Ophioparma@feddit.de both for pointing those things out. I was only checking the part about the hairstyle being made through sewing, and didn’t think to check for dramatization, so I may have retold or personally internalized the story that goes with the sewing fact exactly as told in the meme. Or onlookers might have.
If “acus” means that, then i wonder, how does “abacus” mean a thing you count with? Etymology is fascinating :)
Definitely just being silly. Thank you do much for the link. I just disliked how dramatized the meme version sounded and doubled down on it.
Imagine asking a subject matter expert. What a concept!
And then discounting their opinion.
As an IT guy, a chef, and a jack of all trades and master of few, that happens far more often than I would care to admit. I have literally had people tell me, "Well, yes you know more about [blank} than anyone I’ve ever met, but your analysis doesn’t {make line go up] so it must be wrong, because [line must always go up.}
Fucking Jack Welsh. I wish I could build a time machine and shoot that shortsighted asshole between the eyes just before he laid off his first GM employee in the name of imaginary profit.
I’m an Analyst. The amount of times I’ve had to tell people how their business works based on the data they had me analyse and prove their own preconceptions wrong…
“I was under the impression it should work that way”
Great! I’ll whip up a report showing just how often it doesn’t.
“Those are edge cases”
They make up about 35%
“Can we filter them from the final report?”
Then your figures will be way off and I get to justify the error when inevitably someone spots it and will blame the data for it. Fix the issue in the source, if you don’t want it screwing up your numbers.
Yup, that’s the imaginary part of the story.
That’s how you get the bonus points as an uptight academic!
Let’s be real, probably her opinion.
That happens to men who are considered experts in their field as frequently, statistically probably more frequently. Men get asked more frequently, and are absolutely ignored by everyone that asks them constantly. I’m a jack of all trades, a master of few, and a doctor of some, and 95% of the time that I am asked for my analysis in business or politics I present a masters level thesis, and get paid a ridiculous amount of money to do so. So far, because my analysis has consistently claimed for 334/336 contracts that their proposed ideas would cost them money, they decided to pay my fee and ignore my thoroughly sourced analysis.
Sure, ignore men too. But sexism is real, a woman’s advice is more likely to be ignored or yeah, not asked for at all.
I’m sure your conclusions were ignored. But not because of your gender, it’s because they didn’t like what you had to say. Buddy, I’ve seen it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. As “one of the boys” men feel comfortable telling me things like “I’ll never let a girl fly on my endorsement” ( this person being a flight instructor). And “Is there a different mechanic I can talk to?” Before she even gave him a diagnosis. Or flat out ignoring a really good suggestion in a meeting at a brand new school I worked at. Only to have a male colleague suggest the same thing an hour later to praise and action. Shit’s fucked.
Same vibes as this video with Adam Savage. Apparently this piece of armour was a big mystery with tons of different drawings etc trying to place it as horse armour when Adam almost immediately correctly identifies it when first looking at it.
This is the power of diverse experience where experts can have a blind spot that’s easily solved by others that have a different perspective.
Tldw crotch protector, and the historians did know that.
Well it took them 50 years to figure out, whereas Adam guessed it immediately.
Didn’t they confirm it after 50 years? They had suspicions in different directions, including crotch armor?
Yeah this is the key point in all of this. You can speculate forever, until you can confirm it your confidence will be very low.
Yeah historians and archeologists generally have about a dozen ideas and wont discount or accept them till enough data has been collected. A prime example are those weird Roman dodecahedrons, where it could be everthing from a knitting instrument to a niche tool to something as simple as a nick nack. Though I think the knitting example is actually discounted because the type of knitting that was done with it was either not common enough to justify a specialized tool or not invented yet.
Anyways archeology is fun cause you can sometimes find new ways an artifact was used, like for example a helmet can be used as a helmet, a pisspot, or a bowl. This means we sometiems have no clue what an artifact was used for, unless they say fertility ritual then we know exactly what it was used for.
“Historical hairdressing tutorials based on archaeological research and primary sources.”
https://www.youtube.com/@jntvstp
Janet Stephens; that’s her. i knew i kept that yt subscription for a reason
This is why you go to subject matter experts.
/Software development rant
/fucking everything rant. Scholars and management alike are terrible at this
As others replies have said, it seems that her expertise was welcomed in the community.
Having spent my fair share of time in grad school, my experience with the arrogant scholar trope is…not exactly what this meme suggests. Academics certainly can have strongly held beliefs, but often are very good at gauging their own certainty. If a professor is lamenting that data taken around 3:17pm always looks bad, and the janitor says “well the electric tram goes by around then” — well, I have never met a professor or postdoc who wouldn’t take that very seriously.
In software development you have contractors and product owners who forge ahead and do things without consulting subject matter experts. This often leads to spaghetti code and rushed garbage when things ultimately need to be patched.
Some of the hairstyles by Janet Stevens.
There’s a video that shows more, but there’re advertisements and it’s irritating.
So wigs, not mittens.
I’ve seen something like this referenced a couple times now, what is it?
Answering that question comes with a nobel price attached i presume.
What we know is this:
They are made during roman times, They are found wherever the roman empire stretched and there not considered very rare
Thats about it.
The notable theories are
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as a weird currency
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well known blacksmith “exam”
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for knitting, apparently it has been demonstrated that you can use them to knit in practice but the art of knitting is thought to originate much later in history.
My money is now on wig building tools. As a spinoff to the common knitting one.
My first reaction to seeing these objects was “they look like jointing frames for combining multiple rods”. You’d feed long cylindrical rods into the holes, then use the little knobs to affix them, using them as anchor points for tying the rods into place with string/rope (presumably the rods would have grooves in them to take the rope). Maybe you could make a little tent in this manner, something light, perhaps a bug net for your bed, or something along those lines. Or maybe they were already describing atomic structures 🤓
Complete nonsense, of course. But that was just my first reaction!
Revere the ancient K’nex
I’ve lived for 33 years, 12 or so if those years heavily featuring K’nex and only after reading your comment realised that K’nex is a phonetic play on “connects”.
This comment is also true for me
This might be the highest effort Lemmy comment yet? Great quality on these drawings, clear and concise, and genuinely makes you think and wonder. I give you this award: 🏆
Haha I’ll take it!
My personal theory - used as a quick method for evaluating the value of gold and silver coins.
Holes are for diameter, the bumps are used to estimate thickness.
*Nobel Prize
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron
Roman dodecahedra date from the 2nd to 4th centuries AD and their purpose remains unknown. They rarely show signs of wear, and do not have any inscribed numbers or letters.
Emphasis mine.
I use them for crafting
Image: a Prime Chaotic Resonator crafting orb from the ARPG Path of Exile.
This is after step one, cut a hole in the box.
And that’s the way you do it!
GLAM = Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums
I’d trust a hairdresser when it comes to hair questions… EDIT: Turns out in real life, they did trust the hairdresser, the fact about sewing is true but the overall story is dramatized.
Bad at styling my long hair but I have definitely tried and from what I did in the few hair tutorials I followed, and from knitting, I absolutely believe that making these complicated, pretty, structured knots/loops was done by sewing.
…am I missing something? These are stone. They’re carved. How did they know these were real styles used with people, and not fantastical for the statues?
Wouldn’t fit with the artistical trends of the times… It’s not a bad hypothesis, but if that was a trend the hair is not the only feature that could be imagined.
Now I can’t stop picturing archeologists unearthing an anime bust.
Future archeologists digging up statues of 2B -
How do you sew hair?
Haven’t black women been doing this forever? My coworkers talk about sew-in weaves and shit all the time.
loops
That sounds incredibly tedious for anyone with hair shorter than “eligible to be donated to replace a horse tail”
I can’t imagine a human being doing something tedious for style, I mean can you imagine.
Ever time I see someone wearing their pants almost around their knees, I reminded myself about this fact.
Aren’t weaves basically sewn in?
She also has a YouTube channel!
You post this and let us wonder how this might actually work without any pictures of the replicas??? :O
ETA: here are some examples in the video, unfortunately not the one in the meme…
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324900204578286272195339456
