Based on the 2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
Via a former conservative on Reddit:
- The government won’t allow you to get an abortion even if giving birth would kill you (p.449 - 503)
- The government won’t let you buy condoms or plan b (p.449)
- The government will give more free money to the ultra-rich and the largest corporations (p.691)
- The government will not allow for workers to be protected at work (p.581)
- The government will steal your social security (p.691)
- The government will take away Medicare (p.449)
- The government will not let you find affordable healthcare (p.449)
- The government will refuse to help educate our children (p.319)
- The government will give your tax money to private schools for christians (p.319)
- The government will force public schools to become religious schools for christians (p.319)
- The government will fire you for the color of your skin (p545 - 581)
- The government will tell you what you’re allowed to think (p319)
- The government will sell our land to be permanently destroyed (p417)
- The government will sell the arctic to oil companies (p363)
- Big business and oil will be allowed to do whatever they want without consequences (p.363)
- The government will tell you what a family is supposed to look like. Anything else is a crime. (p.545 - 581)
- The government will make us deaf/blind to attack by destroying the FBI and Homeland Security (p.133)
- The government will build concentration camps to get rid of anyone deemed un-American (p.133)
- If you’re born in the United States you are not automatically a citizen (p.133)
- The government will make it legal for food to be poison (p.363 - 417)
Claims without a citation yet:
- The government will not let you get a divorce without “proof” of wrongdoing
- Your taxes will go up
- The government will not let you retire
- Drugs will cost more
- The government will let your kids go hungry while they are forced to attend these schools
- The government will tell you what you’re allowed to read and burn the rest
- The government will freely kill citizens they disagree with
- The government will attack single mothers because that’s not a “traditional” family
- The government will order our active-duty military to attack us if we protest
- The government will make being muslim on American soil a crime
- The government will make sure all judges are more loyal to the party than they are to the country
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Looks like we’re gonna have to kill some fucking Nazis again
Guess im buying some more guns and ammo before November.
Protect yourself and your loved ones. This shit is straight up tyranny.
Add drone and 3D printer etc etc
Sorry, the most useful ones have been banned. Governor Inslee of Washington State banned literally every single semi-automatic center fire rifle this year, including sporting and target rifles.
Upvoted because you have a point. This is literally why we need the 2A and “assault weapons”. At least, for now, but it will be a long time and a lot of work before the US can be the utopia people wanting to ban guns think it would be.
This time the Americans are the Nazis.
always were, if you ask the natives, the global south, black folk
I just don’t really get why people even get behind stuff like this. There’s just nothing for anyone to really gain and a whole lot for everyone to lose…
Even the mega rich and the corporations have to recognize that an unstable world isn’t really a great place to live or do business right? Or is it just that they’re so far removed from everything that they don’t have to care?
By the time you’re benefiting from this in a non-symbolic way, your net worth is more than you can conceivably spend in a lifetime… Go home, you’re done!
They’ll have a care once they hear that guillotine blade start its decent
They are only thinking of “Me” now, or “Me and my kids”, they will be dead when society collapses and they don’t care. But yes, the obscene amassed wealth is insanity, it means nothing to your lifestyle at some point. And will be useless at death.
I think it’s short term thinking. Probably something similar to the way investors think when they’re on a mission to earn money, but end up causing enshittification
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As I intentionally filter out as much US politics as I can, this has come out of nowhere for me.
Australia has a couple of really simple things baked into its electoral system to resist something wildly unpopular like this from getting in power:
- Compulsory voting. These MAGA crazies are not and will never be the majority. If everyone had to vote, they’d never get in.
- Proportional voting. We vote for multiple candidates. If our first choice doesn’t get in, our vote goes to our second choice. Then third etc. we aren’t forced to vote for a lizard just to prevent the worse lizard getting in (it still almost always comes down to two parties, though).
I know these are total non-starters for our American friends. “You can’t make me vote, that’s against the constitution or something”.
As an American, I think I’d support compulsory voting… But the right would fight that with everything they had, because if everyone had to vote, they’d never win with their current stances.
Yeah, these have saved us on a lot of issues I feel. It’s simply a much more representative system than what the Americans do and it helps keep a lot of fringe ideologies at the fringes, where they usually belong.
Minor correction, we have preferential voting not proportional.
What’s Australia’s stance on immigration?
Mixed, as it is in every wealthy country that has more people wanting to move here than move away from here. Because we have such a large migrant population though it is difficult for politicians to gain traction by being outright anti-immigrant.
How about Coal?
Ranked choice voting (proportional) is still making its way slowly into the mainstream, but with very little reason the change the main political parties torpedo it when they can.
I prefer approval voting, it’s easier to explain and at least as good. Most voting systems also have support for it already.
Easy to teach people new to it too, just pick everyone you are ok with winning.
Most commonly suggested voting systems are better than FPTP, usually by a lot.
Yeah, nearly anything is better than FPTP. But approval voting in particular is simple to explain and basically already supported by nearly all voting equipment out there.
Basically instead of picking one person, you pick everyone you’re OK with. Whoever gets the most votes wins. If the election is for multiple seats then the top X people for most votes wins. No ranking order, no multiple rounds, no way to fill out a ballot wrong, it’s utterly simple.
Compulsory voting is definitely intriguing…even if you had the option to vote “null” meaning not vote for anyone but at least you had to make the effort to say something. The crazies I think are a relatively small portion of the US, they’re just SO much louder than everyone else
A null vote here is a option. Colloquially called a Donkey Vote, or statistically reported as an Informal Vote, you can write nothing on your voting slip and put it straight in the box. Also since voting is compulsory it is held on a Saturday, there are usually sausage sizzles, there must be enough polling places open so you’re not in line for more than 30 minutes, and early voting is a viable option.
A Donkey Vote isn’t the same thing as an Informal Vote. A Donkey Vote means simply numbering the candidates in the order they appear on the ballot. In other words, a thoughtless vote that any donkey could do.
This is why there’s a benefit to appearing in the first spot and why the impartial and independent Australian Electoral Commission (another invaluable aspect of Australian democracy) randomly determines candidate order.
Wouldn’t it be easier just to move to North Korea? There you can enjoy those perks from day one.
Plus you’ll lose weight!
As a non american, is this funking real? Not a shitpost? Holy shit the more i read, the worse it becomes. Wtf.
This is very real. You can read it here: https://www.project2025.org. You can google multiple right wing websites commenting on it for yourself.
Or you can watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwqpx6lp_s
Believe people when they tell you who they are.
I was thinking surely there must be at least one positive bulletpoint reading that shyte
There is! … If you’re an ultra conservative right wing trump supporter
Defunding the FBI and Homeland Security sounds like a good idea.
I find it amusing that you’re being downvoted by people who likely also claim ACAB and want to “defund the police”, since DHS and FBI are federal law enforcement, aka federal police.
I didn’t downvote, but the optics are very different on those groups. Jane and John Smith are much more likely to have a terrible experience with local police than federal police. I would like to think they operate under different standards, but I admittedly know very little about how the FBI functions.
They serve a purpose. Definitely need a restructuring though.
Sorry FBI is useful. DHS is tedious, but it would just get rolled into another agency if it shuttered.
Another way to look at this plan is: how to create an unstable and globally uncompetitive workforce.
America will become a shithole country where no one will want to live or work. The rich will send their children to study and work elsewhere.
When America is inhospitable to everyone except to multi-millionaires or billionaires (who live elsewhere rn anyways, btw as they have multiple nationalities and passports), the rest of the upper class will jump ship to other countries, where they will always get to enjoy the progressive policies and culture they deprive others of.
Remember: if the daughter of a rich person will get pregnant, she will have access to abortion
If the children of the rich want to have sex, they will have contraception
The rich will choose to live in countries with Medicare and other social programs
The rich will always have access to rights, and would straight up be able to “buy justice”, like in countries like India, Pakistan, Mexico, Brazil etc
The rich will always be able to afford clean water and air
Project 2025 isn’t about race or lgbt or “fambily vablues” as the mealy mouthed hypocrites would have you believe. It’s straight class warfare.
All Americans are a target of the class warfare, regardless of their socioeconomic status. Even the rich are worse off because they get to enjoy the judicial process here in America, as opposed to getting robbed by the state as in Russia or China.
In short, project 2025 is a dumb cunt plan of no foresight or insight, and definitely not written by anyone who has goodwill towards Americans or any patriotism
But you’re not thinking about the short term gains for the 1%!
I honestly don’t even think the people who came up with this are thinking about that. Like nifty said, these policies will create a brain drain that will be bad for the U.S. economy, including the assets of the rich.
This is just some christofacist shit. I don’t think they gave a thought to anything else.
Do you honestly think a significant amount of skilled workers will leave America? Do you think other countries would take us?
Like, I get it. I’ve humored moving to Canada, but it ain’t easy to just up and leave everything. Especially when most people can barely achieve $5k in savings.
If this shit goes ahead you’re about to get a whole new insider perspective on refugees, son.
I apologize in advance for sounding like a dick here, reducing people to dollars and cents. But that’s how the people we’re discussing see us.
It’s not the ones who don’t have 5k and/or marketable skills that would harm the economy by leaving. If you’ve got something to offer and a company to sponsor you immigration is relatively easy. I’ve spent part of my career working in other countries, and I’ve known many others that have as well. What we have in common is we’re all educated professionals with lots of disposable income. We would harm the economy if we left in larger numbers and stayed away en masse. Although some stay, for the most part we come home. It’s nice to go home. If it’s not nice to come home, we’ll take our education and skills and stay somewhere that is nice. That’s why it’s called a brain drain and not a ditchdigger drain.
And then there are refugees. Countries don’t take refugees because they want them. They do it because it would be inhumane to not at least have a process, even if many countries make the process as onerous as they can.
Condemn single mothers while promoting only “traditional families.”
Should be: Condemn single mothers instead of absent parents.
Nice work!
Is this real? Did they just sit down and brainstorm how to be as evil as possible without diving right into genocide?
This is just the latest draft. It’s been building up since before the John Birch Society.
I mean, there’s already broad bipartisan agreement on genocide.
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Not really relevant to their actual goal of destroying democracy, just a little culture war to throw a minority under the bus so the masses squabble over it instead of the broader, more universally opposed changes.
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Yeah but it also gets used to sweep normal people into all that neo-nazism because they’re poorly educated and will believe whoever they think has authority to speak on the subject. The GOP can’t be defeated by calling them evil. They have to be defeated by stopping away their authority and exposing, in plain and simple terms, how they’re all hypocrites and that they will throw ALL OF US into the fire, not just the people whose identities are confusing.
The hate they are engineering is deliberate, but it isn’t because they all personally hate queer people. It’s because they do not care about any of us, and queer people are the easiest group to misinform the public about, so they can fear-monger and keep us putting out fires.
I’m not saying we should stop putting out the fires, I’m saying we should recognize that the fires aren’t the goal.
Cruelty is happening to whomever is easiest to target for cruelty. Conservativism always leverages that to allow for hate to take deeper roots. Because people who operate solely off of hate are the easiest to control of all
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- Normal people in this context CLEARLY means “not fascist” not “not queer”, stop being intentionally obtuse. Queer people can be normal or not normal, and so can straight cis people. They’re all individuals who decide for themselves how they want to live. Fascism is never normal though.
- I’m not talking about the uneducated right-wing populace when I say “they don’t personally hate trans people”. I’m talking about the leadership of the conservative fascist movement who recognize that generating hate towards queer people will further their goals. Some of them do it because they hate trans people, others do it because it’s easy to manipulate people to hate each other for things they don’t understand, and hateful people are less likely to think critically about a government that affirms their hatred.
Fascism is a multi-headed hydra, and queerphobic rhetoric is only one head. We need to defeat the whole dragon to stop the head from regrowing, and the first step to accomplishing that is to recognize the dragon as a whole.
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Leftist infighting continues :/
Edit: this whole interaction seemed weird to me, I’m not sure if I was dealing with a troll or a kid but I found a recent comment that gives me a bit more context to who this person is: https://lemmy.world/comment/10757207
I don’t really feel too bad about being blocked by someone like this
Some of the “claims without a citation” are things that were done under the first Trump administration.
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taxes did go up for most Americans under the last tax bill. It’s safe to say that if Republicans need to raise taxes it’ll be through the lower and middle class.
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kids go hungry or into debt for school lunches today because of how little some families make. Trump admin agnostic but definitely a feature for the Republican party and not a bug.
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books are being banned in the US at an alarming rate, look at Florida as a prime example. Trump admin agnostic but definitely a party priority.
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trump suggested multiple times as president that people should just be shot, killed, or executed for things as benign as protesting outside the Whitehouse. He didn’t do it, but it’s a pretty short distance between “the president wants to kill you” and “the president is having you killed”.
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the president did send in national guard and other militarily equipped groups to beat and pepper spray journalists and protestors while president.
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trump appointmented judges clearly lack the experience, qualifications, and apolitical-ness expected of a normal judge. You can see that in the supreme Court and you can see that at the federal judge level.
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I might get downvoted to oblivion. Why can’t America have a decent president for once again?
Trump is a fascist or at least going on its way to it and supports Israel with what’s it is doing in Gaza. Biden is in the old age and probably has just old age issues and supports Israel with what it is doing in Gaza.
It isn’t just America either, The Netherlands with PVV, France with Le Pen (if I said the name correct?), Germany with the whole AFD thing. Russia and its war on Ukraine.
The world seems to have gone mad.
Mostly because a stable prosperous middle class doesn’t benefit a globalized oligarchy. This means dismantling the American democratic experiment.
But you gotta do it on stages to prevent an armed revolt.
A real president hasn’t been possible since Regan sold the country to corporate interests, CNN entertainment news, and the end of unions.
If you have kids, feel very sorry for them
My high school history teacher told me in times of difficulty politics shifts right. It’s always stuck with me. Everything is shit right now, there’s a general malaise and the right provide a target to blame and a simple solution. FWIW the UK just elected a centre left government in a landslide after 15 years of shite, so there’s that.
Canada too. It’s all disappointing choices at best.
I think the pure length of it introduces enough delay before encountering the really terrifying parts and might interfere with the punch of the message. I might try to do a modified version with some bold text and larger sections so some of the strong full impact comes across right away, without trying to reduce the detail or the scope
Also, I think it is relevant to repeat the founders’ feeling on it. The “government” doesn’t “let” you do anything. Everyone’s just born into the earth into this wild and semiorganized place, as weird social beings that are half monkeys and half made up of something a lot more inspirational. And from time to time, they want to set up a system they all agree on so they can have clean water and roadways and courts and someone centrally in charge of the economy, things like that. But, sometimes like a few thousand people put temporarily in charge of all that start to look around at all the guns and money in their command and get confused and think they have the right to tell 400 million other people “hey check it out you have to do what I say, I DGAF what you think or of it’s right, that’s just what’s up.” And then when that happens it is the job of the 400 million to re educate them on what’s up.
And you could say that if they don’t, they deserve what happens. But honestly it’s not even a statement of deserves or not, or right and wrong. It is simply a statement of the reality of what happens. Most of things like the bill of rights is understood today as like, what the government is “allowed” to restrict and not, but the founders’ view of it was a lot more akin to, these are some examples of what people will do as inherent parts of their nature and God help you if you try to tell them they can’t, and they become alert and organized.
Most of this shit is already happening right now?
They’re trying to get this stuff done now, iirc the whole thing about project 2025 is they want everything queued up for the first days that Trump is in office so that he can hit the ground running
So if all of this stuff is currently happening under Biden, why should I support him? If he wins, won’t it just continue?
None of the stuff they’re doing yet is stuff that can be blocked by the president, most of it is happening in right wing courts and the supreme court that Trump/conservatives rammed a conservative majority into
If trump gets elected there are more things he can push through, and they won’t have to worry about a veto if they try to pass an actual law rather than using court rulings. Republicans put a lot of time and planning into this project 2025 planning, it’s not just some ultra right winger dudes in a house throwing stuff together, it’s a lot of political and legal experts working together and putting a lot of time and effort into planning these things and figuring out how to force each of them into existence in ways that can’t be blocked or stopped
I don’t like Biden and would prefer basically any other left candidate, but if Trump gets elected there is a lot more that they can do without fear of it being blocked. That’s why they’re not doing all of these right now, they’re just getting things in place to do them day 1 if Trump gets elected
One might almost think that the government designed by slaveowners is the problem if this is the result: a segregationist genocidal dementia-addled corporate puppet running against his twin.
Correct, none of this is happening under Biden. Please point out specific examples
“It’s okay for the US military to slaughter children in Palestine, but it’s not okay for them to do that here. Unless their papers aren’t in order.” — liberals
I guess, mathematically, every thread has to have its “stupidest take”…
Yours.
Wrong again, but I won’t kink-shame.
How is project 2025 worse than project 1492?
How is it different than a tuna sandwich.
