Idk. America is still pretty racist and even more sexist.
Sexist enough that a woman who no one likes won the popular vote in 2016. …
Popular vote dont get you shit here.
She lost the race in swing states where “independents” choose the winner. If she had been “John Clinton,” with every single bit of the politcal baggage and none of the sexist baggage, I guarantee she would have cleared that 80k vote hurdle in those 3 states.
She lost swing states because she decided she didn’t need to campaign there.
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Joe would have won that election, let alone Bernie. It would have been a different world today
I think people underestimate how much the Clinton name helped her even when the sexism hurt her. Beyond maybe Michelle Obama now, I can’t think of any other woman out there likely to perform as well as Hilary did. During the race, I heard more than one person make comments along the lines of “If she’s in trouble, she can just call her husband”. She definitely got a lot more points from the Clinton name than she lost for being a woman. It’s a sad world sometimes, yall.
I personally think Bill Clinton’s brother Roger could have won that race even with all his controversies and the fact that he has zero qualifications.
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I remember the conservatives I worked with hated H. Clinton for “wanting to take our guns away.” I told her (it was a white 20 year old girl I was talking to specifically in this group) that whole idea is untrue.
Clinton didn’t lose because of her horrible treatment of Africans, her philosophy that abortion should be a states’ right issue, because she is a woman, etc. She lost because the “Dems want our guns” propaganda. Conservatives are a simple breed.
It’s a sad but fair point
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I will vote for freaking Training Day if it keeps Trump out of office.
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You do you, but I will write in Jill Stine first.
Might want to spell her name correctly, then.
So you’ll misspell a write-in vote for an idiotic Russian plant. Sounds like you’re really someone to listen to on this.
Whatever we’re doing, we need to do it fast and commit to it.
RN, Biden is still the best odds at beating Trump by the sheer fact that he’s the incumbent. Why do you think all of the rightmost Dems and the Russian shills are hopping aboard the replacement train? Because they want Trump to win.
Yeah, unfortunately, there’s a calculus here that isn’t entirely clear. The right-wing, the accelerationists, and the Russian shills are all on board with this because they THINK it’s a losing proposition for the Democrats. However, whether it is ACTUALLY a losing proposition is… uncertain.
We live in a fucked-up political era. I think a replacement could go either way. I’m not thrilled about the idea, but we’re rolling the dice either way, so I’m not going to let either outcome change my disposition much. What I know is that I’m voting against fascism this November, and anyone who expresses doubts as to whether THEY’RE voting against fascism are, at best, useful idiots for fascism, and at worst, fascists who are too cowardly to admit it.
I want Biden replaced. Guess I’m a Russian shill? JFC
I mean, in a vacuum, there’s lots of people who I’d like to be running for president as the DNC candidate instead of Biden. However, I’m not advocating for that right now, because I think it would be a tactical mistake.
Edit: on that note, there’s also a whole lot of people who I’d want to run as the GOP candidate instead of Trump as well. One of them is Biden. 😂
Yeah OK, I respect the position that it could be a tactical mistake. But people suggesting that it might not be are not automatically Russian shills. Maybe cool the reactionary rhetoric
Your tactical mistake leads to existential problems for some of us. As a gay man, Trump and the GOP winning this election is threat to my life and the lives of my brothers and sisters. Go ahead and say I’m being alarmist but everyone said the same thing about Roe vs Wade being overturned.
you’re making a very large strawman. Suggesting that a different strategy for the Dems might be more effective is not in any way suggesting that electing Trump is a good idea.
Maybe cool the reactionary rhetoric
You confused the statement with its converse.
“If you are X, then you’ll hop aboard the Biden replacement train”
does not imply
“If you hop aboard the Biden replacement train, then you are X”
Understand? This is a common error and is known as “affirming the consequent”. I never made the statement that you assumed I had.
You were the one who mentioned Russian shills not me
I think you have, again, misunderstood what I’ve been trying to say. I am not inclined to continue trying.
I think the commitment part is going to be a problem this election cycle.
CNN would love for her to run cause they know that she can’t win.
She’ll never win President of Lemmy, that’s for sure.
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. . . Ok.
If Whitmer’s all-in and everyone super swears she can be a charming candidate for two months, fine. I want it noted my preference is Whitmer/AOC but I appreciate the optics.
Goddammit. If it gets us a reprieve from diseased lunatics for four years, fine.
Oh she could easily win, you just don’t like her.
Biden should straight up resign and hand over power to Kamala now. That would short circuit the nomination process and completely undercut any argument that she’s not up for the job if it’s no longer hypothetical and she’s actually just rocking it IRL.
America is sexist as fuck. Just having a woman running for President will cost the Dems more “independents” than Biden ever will.
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The fact that she was a cop is a plus with conservative independents.
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“Rocking it” for a few months? Everyone will just say she’s coasting in Biden’s admin.
I think Gavin Newsom would do better than Kamala.
Wont have a good natinal turnout imo
I disagree. I am not a newsom fan because I’m a progressive. I’m from SF and endured him since he was mayor here. But I believe he would absolutely create a higher turnout than Biden or Kamala. He would do a great job debating Trump, and rhetorically punching back at Republican talking points. Which is something Democrats and never trumpers crave desperately.
I don’t think black women will vote for that American Psycho looking motherfucker.
And you think they will vote for a cop?
Yep, I do because I’m one of the they.
Gavin is a corporate whore, but better than a cop Kamala. Indeed a teensy wee bit better.
So is this the new Russian disinformation strategy? We loved on from Genocide Joe to let’s switch out. Iden?
Not going to happen, and I doubt any other candidate could do better at this point of the election cycle.
I already see our local Russian trolls spouting this bullshit.
This attitude that any criticism of Biden is from Russian trolls is getting a little tiresome. And childish
You’re right, not just Russian Trolls, but wannabe fascists and naive fools here in the US. Anyone who doesn’t see the absolute disaster that Trump will be, and instead “BoTh SiDeS” things or uses “GeNoCiDe JoE” is just an absolute fool.
That’s a hell of a jump. Suggest that we could do better than Biden and youre a fascist, a fool and a Trump supporter. Seriously, grow up. This is no way to discuss issues
Were there better candidates than Biden? Absolutely. Can we realistically expect any of them to jump in now and have a chance of winning? Absolutely not.
There’s a big difference, especially when you look at the realities of the situation. If you don’t believe me, name a candidate that would have a stronger chance than Biden now.
Come November, when it’s between Biden and Trump, any vote not going to Biden is helping fascisim.
I’d go for Elizabeth Warren. If it were possible right now, AOC. Also Bernie Sanders. Anyway, I’m not saying you’re wrong: I genuinely don’t know. What offends me is calling people who think another strategy might be better, fascists or Russian shills.
Was Biden looking like warmed over death a week ago Russia disinformation too? Or should I not trust my lying eyes?
He looked warmed over?
CNN is a fucking joke. They literally want the Dems to crash and burn, so take any of their “advice and opinion” with a few metric tons of salt.
Sorry rest of the country, but we’d like to keep Big Gretch to ourselves. K Thx
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I’d go Beto-Gretchen.
Beto couldn’t even beat Ted Cruz.
He lost to Greg Abbott too.
Ugh, God, that was even more of a morale hit than losing to Cruz imo.
At that point, Abbott had already introduced his super fucked up “heart beat bill” pre RvW reversal, and Texans still put their guns over the lives of the women around them.
That’s when I started to become defeatist.
And holy shitballs, the gloating from Republicans was fucking insufferable.
There’s really no reason to jump to him rather than someone already in national politics, but winning a senate seat in Texas is actually harder than winning the presidency.
It’s certainly difficult to do if you announce you’re going to take people’s AR-15’s.
It was Ted Cruz
The point remains true.
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Jill Biden and Kamala Harris…then they don’t have to change any marketing materials.
Isn’t that how it works now?
Jill Biden’s too smart for that.
I’d rather see Whitmer and AOC, personally. Harris is disliked from both sides. I can’t see her being an option. She has a 39% approval rating. She’s even lower than Biden.
As much as I’d like to see another candidate replace Biden, it’s too late in the game and Americans are generally idiots. They’ll screw things up this late into the battle and Trump will win.
As much as I hate to admit it, Biden is probably the best path forward … Which gives me acid reflux a little bit to say, but the idea of Trump being president makes me want to jump off a bridge, so I’ll take a couple antacids and hope for a better choice in 2028.
Unfortunately, removing Harris from the ticket doesn’t have the best optics in a lot of scenarios.
Repeat 1968
WHAT PART DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND: There’s no changing the nominee at this point because they can’t be put on the ballots in multiple states. Stop the bullshit.
The only reason this is even a question is that liberals are willing to consider the age problem; with Trump you have the age problem, the fascism problem (proj 2025), the insanity problem (shark batteries), the sex offender problem, and so, so, so many others.
Get it together.
NEVADA GEORGIA WISCONSIN
Come on you cowards, don’t just downvote, tell me how losing ALL of those states is anything but an automatic loss?
