I’m a dude, but I frequently browse BadWomansAnatomy. I was having a (calm, respectful) debate with a few users regarding how a lot of people that have “transitioned” still bear hallmarks of their former gender (I mentioned one of my long time friends who has gone from MTF and still looks the same. Kaitlin and Elliot are also good examples). The ban was because I dared to use the “dead names” of Elliot Page and Kaitlin Jenner! Oh the horror! 😱
I went to post in /r/rant how I just thought it was ridiculous and it was autoremoved because I mentioned the world “mod” in the title and I mentioned a specific community 🤣
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Yeah no you brought that shit on yourself.
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First of all, trans women actually show lower T levels than cis women because they’re literally taking medicine that blocks its production, and yes, cis women do produce testosterone too, just not from testicles. So whatever nonse you think you’re able to clock trans women with, you’re probably accusing cis women and being a real douche about it too.
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Second, dead naming is genuinely just a dick thing to do even outside the presence of the person in question, because you’re fundamentally saying that you care so little for someone that you’re not even going to respect their preferred form of being addressed, which like, why would ya go out of your way to be that asshole. You’re being that guy who insists on calling Tim Timothy all the time, why would you be doing that except to get under Tim’s skin? Stop being that guy and just call him Tim like a normal person who doesn’t need to have basic manners and zero effort good human behavior explained to them.
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Third, so you’re admitting outright you broke community rules and are still thinking the post in question being removed is unfair? I’m not normally a fan of powermodding but bro that’s not an excuse to be mad that you faced consequences for breaking the rules in broad daylight.
I can understand calling someone their dead name to their face, I never call my friend Sarah Andrew, because I respect her wishes. These are celebrities that are definitely not going to see this and people are getting pissed off about me referring to someone else. Respect is earned, not given freely. I don’t give a fuck if it’s Bradley Cooper, Brad Pitt or Kaitlyn Jenner. It’s like me referring to John Wayne (the actor) as Marion Morrison (his real name) and people flipping shit. Get a fucking grip people.
Hate speech is one thing, but apparently differing opinions aren’t welcomed though, regardless of how they’re stated.
Ok but it’s not like that. John Wayne is a stage name, you’re arguing against referring to trans people by their adopted legal name. It’s still being a dick, yes even if you swear that you totally have trans friends.
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I mean, did you intend to dead name them? If not, did you correct yourself?
Because if you did it intentionally, you’re an asshole. If you did it by mistake because you brain farted, but didn’t correct it, you’re an asshole. You did use the right names here, so I ain’t mad. But let me frame things for you.
If you went through the effort of changing what people call you from your first name to your middle name, anyone refusing to switch would be an asshole. Doing it if you were struggling with something major related to that name would make them a giant asshole.
IDGAF who it is, if they aren’t picking a name just to fuck with people, you fucking call them what they want to be called, period. Anything else is just douchebaggery.
Now, when you add in that dead naming trans people can be an act of aggressive verbal attack to trans people as a whole, the person doing so isn’t just an asshole, they’re a bigoted asshole.
Is that who you want to be? The person that fucks with people just trying their best to live a free and happy life? If that is who you want to be, I have to warn you that reddit is not the only place online you’ll end up barred from. And there are people that will treat you poorly because of being an asshole. Actions have consequences, and words can be a form of action. While I support your freedom to say what you want within the framework of general legality regarding incitement, that doesn’t mean anyone has to accept that kind of thing and let you spew nastiness.
So, take the ban like an adult. Accept that you fucked up enough for the community, and use that in the future to really think about the subject and decide who you want to be.
So, take the ban like an adult. Accept that you fucked up enough for the community, and use that in the future to really think about the subject and decide who you want to be.
I see this patronizing, judgmental language everywhere on the internet, and I’m pretty tired of it. OP is right to be annoyed.
Here’s an intelligent question: Why is R*ddit a place where every little infraction, real and perceived, attracts the account death penalty?
Well, if you are seriously defending someone dead naming people on purpose, nobody worth a damn cares about your opinion.
To answer your question, there’s two parts. First, it doesn’t matter where it is, shitty behavior means you aren’t allowed back. Reddit, lemmy, your house, my house, a bar, you ignore yr rules you get thrown out and not allowed back in.
Second, reddit is reddit. The site/company has been like that for ages, so anyone acting surprised by it are idiots, and anyone still using it when the company has repeatedly shown they will do exactly what op described is a masochist and/or an idiot.
Now, you can be as tired of it as you like, we don’t owe each other a gods damned thing. But OP was a moron, and deserved to be out on their ass. Any rational adult is aware that words have consequences. Any rational adult knows that if one breaks the rules of a community, one will be rejected from that community. This is not calculus, it’s 2+2. So, when an adult does something bone headed and gets ejected, they need to be an adult and move on without whining about it.
Also, it wasn’t a very intelligent question. It was phrased poorly, and reflects limited thinking. That, btw, is patronizing and judgemental as well ;)
I literally just got permanbanned from BadWomansAnatomy because I made a joke comment saying “as a guy, I appreciate the change” when a woman said she switched from jeans to yoga pants as her daily clothing. My account is 11 years old, I have only ever been banned from two subs, up until about a few days ago when I have received two warnings (one on my main account and one one my porn account) a temp ban, and now a permaban.
The IPO has really made them super heavy handed in controlling what is “acceptable” because they gotta keep that money flowing and keep the board happy!
There’s a huge difference between referring to a third party as their “dead name” and calling someone their dead name" to their face. I would never refer to my friend Sarah as Andrew, but people are getting pissed that I referred to a celebrity who won’t ever see it. It’s like I referred to John Wayne as Marion Morrison (his real name) and people call for lynching me in the street.
There is a massive difference between a stage/screen name and the name a person chooses for transition.
The fact that you don’t realize that is why you ended up banned.
The fact that you’re still trying to make them the same same thing is why you’re an asshole.
See, it’s about the way you think and act. The choice of ignoring a person’s name points right towards a disrespect of the fact of the person’s transition.
Now, mistakes happen. I’ve dead named friends during the early stages of transition, it takes time to train the brain to new names. But, and this is the important part I recognize the mistake, fix it and work harder.
Even with a stranger like an a actor, respecting a name chosen for transition shows respect for the person, and for trans people in general. Refusing to correct a mistake is the same as refusing to use their correct name in the first place.
Nobody is calling for lynching you, though I am aware that was hyperbole, not literal. I’m not even saying you need your ass beat. I’m saying that the way you’re thinking as evidences by the things you’re saying in public is douchey. The behavior you related in the post is ban worthy, if not corrected.
Again, there is absolutely a difference between calling John Wayne Marion and calling Eliot Page Ellen. If you don’t understand the difference, that’s okay. I will be glad to try and help you understand that difference, no bullshit.
And there is some minor difference between dead naming a person to their face and doing it in private. But you didn’t do it in private. Again, if you don’t see the distinctions involved, I am willing to try and help you see it.
You fucked up. We all fuck up. It’s what we do after that really matters.
Sure, I did something “wrong” intentionally (with ZERO malice intended), I just think it’s ridiculous (and actually kinda funny) how angry people got over it. It’s not like I completely denied their “status” (or whatever) as the opposite gender. I included both names (referring to their former and current selves) because their former gender and current gender are two different identities, correct? You wouldn’t refer to Kaitlyn’s former self as Kaitlyn, would you? She was Bruce when she was a male, so how is that “wrong”? It was like I collectively punched everyone in the metaphorical balls just because they saw a name. It’s like we’re living in the Harry Potter universe and I said “Voldemort”.
I’m accepting of everyone, I was hanging out with a non-binary guy, a queer girl, and another guy, whom I believe was transgender last night for multiple hours. Yet, people read so far into stuff that they assume that you’re on the extreme opposite side of them all because I decided to use the former names of two celebrities when comparing how they looked as their former selves and their current selves.
It seems that (some) people that are members of the “other” (I’m sure I’ll get hate for that as well!) communities outside of Lesbian/Gay/Bisexual community are some the angriest people, I’ve seen it mentioned multiple times from people that are part of the LGB community that there is a rift between them and even they find it quite ridiculous. It’s like the people on the TQIA+ are on the extreme opposite side of the “anti” side, you fuck up and they want to crucify you and deem you as being hateful.
I was also only banned for a day because of that entire conversation, the permaban was because I said “As a guy I appreciate the change” when a woman said she switched from jeans to yoga pants as her daily wear (in a completely different post) 🤣 You can’t even make an “out of line” comment without enraging the powers that be apparently! Imagine being a woman and saying “as a woman, I appreciate the change” when a muscle bound guy said he switched from wearing loose T-shirts to tight t-shirts that show off his muscles. It’s fucking ridiculous.
Maybe just don’t use the dead names?
Yeah, Lemmy is way more politically left than Reddit, this post isn’t going to last very long here.
Like, the average Lemmy user is a Linux Obsessed Trans Communist that works in IT. Any user that is outside of that is most likely a minority on Lemmy. If you thought Lemmy was going to be less politically charged, I am sorry to say you won’t be finding less politics here than on Reddit.
Lemmy has zero chill even if you are a leftist, it’s like zero fun to post here, I tend to just lurk
I think whats frustrating is that when the Great Migration was happening from Reddit, people telling Redditors to go to Lemmy were advertising it like a place that was more politically neutral than Reddit. So when people come over expecting that kind of community only to realize they were lied to, that makes it very frustrating.
I know thats what happened to me when I first learned about Lemmy, and it was not fun. I don’t post political stuff, but I thought I wasn’t going to keep seeing it everywhere. My feed is like a ghost town now though, because I just instantly ban communities or users I see posting that stuff. I don’t care, I don’t want to see it. Yall can talk about it without me.
Same thing happened on my old account, no content after blocked everything that annoys me. Don’t want to hear about how much you hate cars in every single thread, it’s boring
Other problem is no matter what you post it gets downvoted, and that’s why when I get access to reddit again I’ll bail on lemmy because there’s no chance of it growing. This is like leftist 4chan and it’s tiresome to post here; never going to get new people this way
Honestly you hit the nail on the head with the “leftist 4chan” bit. I’m not someone who chases up votes or anything, but I do like when I see my comments resonate with other people and get the “agreement vote.” That doesn’t happen here.
Especially in the gaming communities of Lemmy the users are so hateful towards literally any upcoming “AAA+” game that gets posted about. Like you can’t even say you think something looks fun without a bunch of people just coming to downvote you or give you shit for daring to announce that you’re excited for something new.
This community is on .world, we’ll see
I mean more that it was going to get downvoted and OP might delete it themselves, I wasn’t really talking about moderation in this particular community, which does a pretty good job from what I have seen.
Yeah downvoting doesn’t help change someone’s opinion it just makes them angry lol, that’s why lemmy will die
I personally hide downvotes for this reason
Yeah it helps but it’s not set by default which is my main criticism, newcomers do not stick around here
You can do that?
From version 0.19.4, yes.
Your instance isn’t there yet, hopefully in the coming weeks.
the average Lemmy user is a Linux Obsessed Trans Communist that works in IT
Come on. Stop exaggerating. First of all surely that has to at least be limited to certain communities. Secondly, how can the “average” person be such an extreme? Like, what are the outliers in that sample data?!
I’ve seen some pretty hard right trolls on here since joining up. Not many, but a few.
But are they also trans and Linux-obsessed working in IT?
Like, the average Lemmy user is a Linux Obsessed Trans Communist that works in IT.
Wasn’t reddit similar but insane and toxic people
I’ve seen a few toxic profiles on Lemmy so far
Same
It’s not really any better here, you are already being mass downvoted for this valid criticism
Censorship here is worse than reddit I think even, I ragequit deleted my lemmy account a whille ago and I’m only back because I can’t use reddit. Lol. I will probably just evade the ban after my ISP gives me a new ip
Valid criticism? Using deadnames and putting “transitioned” sure ok.
Also hard to say they are being censored when you know, downvotes aren’t censorship. You might be anle to say what you want but that has consequences. Kinda sounds a little like op might have earned their ‘downvotes to oblivion’ or whatever
Oh by censorship I mean the amount of mild comments I had removed on my old account here
Yeah because you were being a dick.
God forbid someone says something out of line and have a differing opinion!
Not the point, but sure if you want to understand it that way, you’re free to do so. 🤷
The point is people are allowed to say something non politically correct and not be crucified for it.
But they’re not being crucified. They’re just being either down voted, or in the case of being banned, well, that’s a website’s owner deciding they don’t want to see this on their private property.
Just like you are free to on yours, BTW.
Censorship because you are offended is the fall of society
No it just means you were a dick so someone kicked you off their private property for it. That’s their right, isn’t it?
God forbid people use technical/biological terms that have been in use for decades! Oh the horror 😱 People seriously need to get a fucking grip if they can’t handle the word “transitioned” or referring to a third person as their dead name.
Now you’re just being disingenuous. Its not because you used transitioned, you used “transitioned”, and calling people by… their deadname? Come on, take the L and admit you don’t care about or respect trans people.
I was referring to their former and current selves, which is the reason I used both names. Would you refer to Bruce as Kaitlyn? How is that any less fucked up? Am I supposed to beat around the bush and say “when Kaitlyn was a man” just so I don’t anger the transgender community for daring to use their former name?
Also, stop assuming you think you know what I care about, that just makes you look like an asshole. I was hanging out with multiple people for hours last night that are members of the LGBTQIA+ community…so kindly shut the fuck up 😉
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I was just permanbanned from BWA because I dared to make a joke comment saying “as a man I appreciate the change” when a woman said she switched from jeans to yoga pants as her daily wear 😂
Remember what lemmy users say of the people on reddit that they tried to get away from by coming to the fediverse? It’s you, you are that people.
