What proves this footage is really what the article claims it to be? It’s a very specific explanation for what appears quite vague.
I just don’t want to go sharing something we cannot actually verify as true. There’s a lot of other stuff mentioned in the article a lot of which we know to be true, but that isn’t proof of this claim.
What exactly is vague about being naked (mostly) with hands tied behind their back while walking through a building? What explanation do you have for such an event?
Something like this could easily be a simple prisoner transfer. This is one idea.
In general, we don’t know the where, the why, or the who. Movies have worse scenes than this. Nothing is beyond fabrication. Why were they filming and who posted the video? There are myriad possibilities.
There are already many clear-cut reasons to be critical of Israel, but it should still matter what is actually fact and what is fiction, shouldn’t it?
Heard it here first folks, if it’s in a movie, it’s not a war crime any more.
I’ll say that I mostly agree, it’s good to be critical and sceptical, but I do think that defense is well worse than lukewarm. I’d almost say if you treat your prisoners anywhere near as badly as they do in most movies, you’re already well into war crime territory.
It’s not a defense - I am just expressing how hard it is to really know what’s going on. It’s a good article though, and Common Dreams despite a strong liberal bias are known for factual reporting. There’s a good chance this is real, and that really sucks.
So you’re volunteering to go looking for explosives without drones, weapons, or any other equipment normally given to EOD soldiers? The idea that this footage is normal is ridiculous to anyone whose spent even a second in a western military.
Why isn’t it being reported on any other news service than Al Jazeera Arabic and Commom Dreams then? Am indictment against the IDF like this would absolutely be published in Reuters or the AP and many others.
The car hood event is a sample of one. You can’t prove a pattern of behavior of a military using human shields with that. That’s not how patterns work.
I think we’re still a long way from reasonably comparing Hamas’s use of human shields and Martyrs among their own people, to this.
I do think there are likely a very significant number of IDF soldiers who are monsters who treat Palestinians as subhuman out of pure prejudice and maybe psychopathy. Because of course there are in any military, and very likely moreso in this one. But there is insufficient evidence this applies systemically more than to a very small minority, and more in the IDF than wider Israeli society of course. But they’re still not motivated by anything specific in the culture except a long history of conflict. There is no intrinsic reason for even psychopathic Jews to be prejudiced toward Palestinians on the basis of Judaism. Not so the other way around, when there is well established hatred of Jews in Islam.
This matters, and I remain sure history will remember this following what’s to come (especially if Trump wins the election).
What proves this footage is really what the article claims it to be? It’s a very specific explanation for what appears quite vague.
I just don’t want to go sharing something we cannot actually verify as true. There’s a lot of other stuff mentioned in the article a lot of which we know to be true, but that isn’t proof of this claim.
What exactly is vague about being naked (mostly) with hands tied behind their back while walking through a building? What explanation do you have for such an event?
Something like this could easily be a simple prisoner transfer. This is one idea.
In general, we don’t know the where, the why, or the who. Movies have worse scenes than this. Nothing is beyond fabrication. Why were they filming and who posted the video? There are myriad possibilities.
There are already many clear-cut reasons to be critical of Israel, but it should still matter what is actually fact and what is fiction, shouldn’t it?
Heard it here first folks, if it’s in a movie, it’s not a war crime any more.
I’ll say that I mostly agree, it’s good to be critical and sceptical, but I do think that defense is well worse than lukewarm. I’d almost say if you treat your prisoners anywhere near as badly as they do in most movies, you’re already well into war crime territory.
It’s not a defense - I am just expressing how hard it is to really know what’s going on. It’s a good article though, and Common Dreams despite a strong liberal bias are known for factual reporting. There’s a good chance this is real, and that really sucks.
So you’re volunteering to go looking for explosives without drones, weapons, or any other equipment normally given to EOD soldiers? The idea that this footage is normal is ridiculous to anyone whose spent even a second in a western military.
Why isn’t it being reported on any other news service than Al Jazeera Arabic and Commom Dreams then? Am indictment against the IDF like this would absolutely be published in Reuters or the AP and many others.
Did you miss the story about them tying a wounded Palestinian to the front of a vehicle? There’s this Reuters story too.
Oh and here’s Haaretz.
There is a pattern of behavior here and it’s not the Palestinians lying.
The car hood event is a sample of one. You can’t prove a pattern of behavior of a military using human shields with that. That’s not how patterns work.
How many examples of using a human shield would you like?
I’m guessing it’s whatever there’s evidence for, and then one more. After all you’re down to nitpicking the subcategories of human shields.
More than one, for a start. The accusation is that there’s a pattern. One does not a pattern make.
Good because there’s two right there.
That’s a start then. I hope you’re wrong.
I think we’re still a long way from reasonably comparing Hamas’s use of human shields and Martyrs among their own people, to this.
I do think there are likely a very significant number of IDF soldiers who are monsters who treat Palestinians as subhuman out of pure prejudice and maybe psychopathy. Because of course there are in any military, and very likely moreso in this one. But there is insufficient evidence this applies systemically more than to a very small minority, and more in the IDF than wider Israeli society of course. But they’re still not motivated by anything specific in the culture except a long history of conflict. There is no intrinsic reason for even psychopathic Jews to be prejudiced toward Palestinians on the basis of Judaism. Not so the other way around, when there is well established hatred of Jews in Islam.
This matters, and I remain sure history will remember this following what’s to come (especially if Trump wins the election).