Kuwait announced this week that it will print thousands of copies of the Quran in Swedish to be distributed in the Nordic country, calling it an effort to educate the Swedish people on Islamic “values of coexistence.” The plan was announced after the desecration of a Quran during a one-man anti-Islam protest that Swedish police authorized in Stockholm last month.
Kuwaiti Prime Minister Sheikh Ahmad Nawaf Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah said the Public Authority for Public Care would print and distribute 100,000 translated copies of the Muslim holy book in Sweden, to “affirm the tolerance of the Islamic religion and promote values of coexistence among all human beings,” according to the country’s state news agency Kuna.
On June 28, Salwan Momika, a 37-year-old Iraqi Christian who had sought asylum in Sweden on religious grounds, stood outside the Stockholm Central Mosque and threw a copy of the Quran into the air and burned some of its pages.
The stunt came on the first day of Eid-al-Adha, one of the most important festivals on the Islamic calendar, and it triggered anger among Muslims worldwide. Protests were held in many Muslim nations, including Iraq, where hundreds of angry demonstrators stormed the Swedish embassy compound.
CBS News sought comment from the Swedish Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the Kuwaiti government’s announcement, but did not receive a reply by the time of publication.
The U.S. State Department condemned the desecration of the Quran in Stockholm, but said Swedish authorities were right to authorize the small protest where it occurred.
“We believe that demonstration creates an environment of fear that will impact the ability of Muslims and members of other religious minority groups from freely exercising their right to freedom of religion or belief in Sweden,” State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said. “We also believe that issuing the permit for this demonstration supports freedom of expression and is not an endorsement of the demonstration’s actions.”
The United Nations Human Rights Council adopted a resolution Wednesday condemning the burning of the Quran as an act of religious hatred. The U.S. and a handful of European nations voted against the resolution, which was introduced by Pakistan on behalf of the 57-nation Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), arguing that it contradicts their perspectives on human rights and freedom of expression.
Swedes pilling up Qurans for the winter to save on wood in 1, 2…
Man, I’m so glad my brief guilt about having this same thought was dissolved when I find it matched the top comment on here…
Ahah I mean it’s an obvious idea, it might be hot now but… winter is coming.
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I wonder how they distributed them. There are only about 10 million people in Sweden, so that’s about 1 book per 100 people. If they did just dump a huge pile of books someplace I could absolutely see them all getting burned in a big bonfire.
It’s a strange idea anyway- “Hey! You burned a book we like! Here’s a hundred thousand more of the same book! Don’t, um, burn them, plz.”
Usually they are having them distributed my mosque communities to interested passer-bys in the streets of cities for free.
My wife hates it but I LOVE antagonizing the religious snakes who try to tell you about their bullshit in public. I grew up in the Bible Belt and I fucking HATE that fake “oh I’m just trying to save your immortal soul because you’re a sinner” bullshit. Fuck these people, they’re predators preying on people at their weakest and they don’t pay taxes while pissing their influence all over our politics.
Fuck. These. People. All of them.
I don’t stop walking but I always interrupt them or put words in their mouths or ask why their all powerful god won’t do anything about pedos when they’re screeching about that etc. Especially the ones that try to hand you things, love them! They’re always carrying a bunch of papers that you can knock out of their hands.
I hope these fuckwits meet lots of friendly people like me as they go to SOMEONE ELSE’S FUCKING COUNTRY to force their mythology on 😁
I now live in a building that has restricted access, so no one can randomly knock on my door. But the last place I lived had a door accessible to anyone who might walk up. Anyone pushing religion was kindly told to “Get Fucked,” and I closed the door. It happened maybe three times over the years I lived there. I’m otherwise very polite to strangers.
Coming to a stranger’s home and presuming you know better than they on such a (in their mind) important topic. To knock on my door and basically tell me that I’m wrong and they know the right answer. Get Fucked!
The problem is mate, your country funds the worst Muslim countries and other theocracies like the Saudis and Isreel. So when you advocate for going all militant atheist, you have to consider that you’re not harrassing or kicking down an already impoverished, powerless people whether they’re refugees or victims of US bombs in Yemen or Palestine.
I obviously understand your disdain for your local Christian fundamentalists.
Who said anything about militant atheism? I’m not the guy harassing strangers with my religious beliefs in public, but I am the guy mocking and embarrassing them (if they’re even capable of shame)
I don’t give a fuck what country someone is from. You don’t deserve respect when you go out and harass and insult strangers. Being a refugee and insulting your host country is even worse in my opinion. Deport those snakes, they obviously miss home. How dare they come up another country claiming to be seeking help and then spit on them like that.
What do you mean by that? Free speech is a fundamental right in most of the wealthiest democracies.
Who the fuck said anything about restricting free speech? You keep trying to put words in my mouth.
I said fuck em and I don’t respect them and I like to harass them while they’re harassing others. Not “the government should do blank because my feelings are hurt by speech”. I said I’d be fine with deporting refugees that use asylum deceitfully to push their agenda, but that’s probably unrealistic and would probably be used to hurt innocents.
Ancient mythology doesn’t suddenly deserve respect just because large groups of people decide they’re gonna take it literally and force it on everyone else every chance they get.
I said I’d be fine with deporting refugees that use asylum deceitfully to push their agenda, but that’s probably unrealistic and would probably be used to hurt innocents.
Yeah. I hope you see the threat of deportation discourages them from speaking out about any abuses, or criticising wrongdoing as a normal citizen of the country ought to.
I’ve already said I understand your wariness of Christian fundamentalists.
I’m simply concerned at what I see as an over-focus on social liberalism; it muddies the waters for the actual problem of poverty and marginalisation. It’s proven that people become less open to newcomers and ideas when their economic circumstances take a hit - and Europe has a racist tendency of shoving immigrants in poor neighbourhoods to keep them out of sight and poor. So in many cases we’re blaming the victims.
In the UK Christianity has massively declined, and yet they have a decade of no growth, stagnation, a third of children missing meals and Victorian diseases are back.
Yeah I realized after I said it that it was likely something I hadn’t thought through.
The UK is struggling largely because of conservatives who tear down services that help people to give tax breaks to the rich. They’re also the ones who pushed Brexit and privatized national rail and refuse to properly fund NHS. Is it a coincidence that they’re all overwhelmingly religious? I have a guess…
Free speech is a fundamental right
My saying your religion is stupid is just as protected as someone else talking about their imaginary friend.
You don’t deserve respect when you go out and harass and insult strangers. Being a refugee and insulting your host country is even worse in my opinion. Deport those snakes, they obviously miss home.
To which my point was the threat of deportation discourages them from speaking out about any abuses, or criticising wrongdoing as a normal citizen of the country ought to.
And: I’m concerned at what I see as an over-focus on social liberalism; it muddies the waters for the actual problem of poverty and marginalisation. It’s proven that people become less open to newcomers and ideas when their economic circumstances take a hit - and Europe has a racist tendency of shoving immigrants in poor neighbourhoods to keep them out of sight and poor. So in many cases we’re blaming the victims.
You sound like a well adjusted and kind member of society.
Someone sounds upset that their superstition isn’t treated as fact.
I’m very very VERY much an atheist. I’m just not insufferable smug about it.
I grew up in the bible Belt. I have no patience for their manipulation. They are predators preying on the weak and gullible and deserve the same disrespect that they give.
Now if you want to talk about smug, there’s dropping into a conversation and contributing nothing but insults and projecting that others are being smug…
If you don’t want to be insulted to brag about how you purposefully act like an asshole to people.
You get left alone if you leave me alone this is difficult for a lot of them not my fault 🤷🏻♂️
Fuck these people, they’re predators preying on people at their weakest and they don’t pay taxes while pissing their influence all over our politics.
So what you’re saying is that you expect the Kuwaiti government to pay taxes in Sweden?
Reading comprehension is hard.
It must be hard being religious in a world of science. You have to rely on distractions and half truths and obvious lies because your world view is so completely fucked that you are constantly at war with reality itself.
Too bad religion doesn’t coexist well with intelligence or education. It’s hard to be dumb, ignorant AND at battle with reality in every conversation with people outside your religion.
All that is to say, your post is a weak attempt to misdirect the conversation away from a government pushing their own refugees in a foreign country to force their religious bullshit on their host country.
Check out how many nobel prize winners are religious. There’s no fight between religion and science; some extremist sects do that to control their followers.
Religious Nobel winners becoming great minds in spite of their superstitions have nothing to do with thousands of years of scientific suppression by religions all over the world.
People don’t like their worldview challenged, but when your worldview is absurd and without evidence you’ll constantly be dealing with these challenges as people learn and ask more questions. If itt turns out the sun isn’t actually pulled across the sky by a god on a chariot every day, then what else is just nature and not a god? It disrupts your society, and has to be put down and people need to be distracted away from questioning the gods (and the people in high positions).
Religion has always been at war with curiosity, reason and (new) evidence. It’s the nature of being based on a fallacy, which is the assertion that god(s) exist without proof.
Throughout history the biggest centers of learning were funded by or associated with religious organizations, from madrases to Oxford university. Things like the islamic golden age and the renaissance are paired with the religion of the age and area.
Secularism/atheists are also contributors to scientific discovery but to ignore past and present events is just blind ignorance borne of entrenching yourself in anti-religious propaganda
Delusional that they think distributing that book in that country will promote tolerance. “So, tell me more about your ‘Prophet’ that marries 9 year old girls…”.
which book we talking about here? the Quran or the bible?
Jesus married a 9 year old?
2(3 really…) retarded books. Let’s waste time arguing which is the most retarded. They’re the same.
I agree but as I try to not be an ignorant fool about stuff like a religious person would be I was surprised about that statement. Turned out the statement was a falsehood so…
Congrats, you killed that straw man!
His mother was between 12 and 14 when he was born lol. So God impregnated a child with himself in the lore.
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So that is a no then I take it?
Sorry your gotcha is that it wasn’t the son it was the father? They’re both god dipshit. These Nazi fucks don’t even know their own religion.
The father who’s up in the clouds somewhere looking down on us? That seem like a bullshit story if I ever saw one.
The almighty being who could do whatever it wants because it’s all-powerful but for some reason cares about whether you touch your peepee?
what is the point you’re trying to make lol
What point are you trying to make? That 9 is 14?
Convenient how people always forget that Bible contains more than just the hippie fairy tale about Jesus.
Except the bible doesn’t even say that so… It’s still full of other bullshit of course …
Moses.
Quran
Religion is more than a book mate. It’s also a culture. The Ottoman and other empires did tolerate other ethnic groups, and Jews and Christians - the assertion that they were made to pay unfair taxes as a disincentive is false, those states actually liked the money coming in and were incentivised to treat non-Muslims fairly.
I attempted to find a point in your statement but I failed. You seem to be trying to draw a parallel of some sort between empires from hundreds of years ago and a modern day nation.
You should brush up on the history of the Middle East and colonialism, if you’re going to say something like that.
The Ottoman Empire was founded in 1299 according to google, and formally ended in 1922. We’re only a hundred and one years away, about a single lifetime, from this empire, dimwit. And Turkey survives today as a regional power and a useful US ally.
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This is 1000% better as a response than I’ve seen recently from other Islamic countries and I’m a little sad it’s getting dunked on so much. Others are calling for speech to be silenced in response to Quran burnings and they’re literally just saying “hey, could you just read it instead?” It’s a low bar compared to Western Values ™️ I guess but this kind of response should be what we strive for even if you don’t agree with them on anything else.
I would add that nonetheless, every sovereign country can and should stand up for itself. Also this is not just a couple Qurans burned, its racism more in general on the rise here in europe.
Racism how, if I may ask? The Quran wasn’t burned by a Swede who hates Muslims/Middle Eastern people, it was done by an Iraqi national.
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i’m glad you know that. Apparently poland isn’t on the same page. I doubt he’s the only one thinking like that https://youtu.be/asGHu2NzvbI Sorry i don’t have any more sources, but if you’ve followed european immigration policies in the slightest, you might have noticed that most middle eastern are rejected at the borders. Many times the skin color is no different from southern europeans, yet they die by the hundreds in the mediterranean.
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That’s no justification for showing any kind of support for a violent, regressive religion that idolizes a pedo prophet.
I’m assuming you’re either western or liberal, both?
Aside from the fact that the prophet arguably isn’t worshipped because of his child abuse and it happend centuries ago (maybe you found instances of more recent child abuse), you don’t need to look far away from home to find violent and regressive people that act in the name of religion. I’m talking about misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, racism etc. I get it, maybe its too difficult and these problems can’t be solved. Still, its unnecessary to put your self on the high ground of moral righteusness. Muslim people have problems to solve, I’m sure you do too.
I’m assuming you’re either western or liberal, both?
Seems like having the common sense to not support violence is considered liberal? And no, I’m in a muslim-majority country and tired of the hate some of my family support because their religion tells them to.
(maybe you found instances of more recent child abuse)
I see you agree many people use muhammad and the quran and hadith as a way to to justify child abuse, which they do.
you don’t need to look far away from home to find violent and regressive people that act in the name of religion
I suppose you wrote this assuming I’m western? But yes, alot of people I know do discriminate against people simply because islam tells them to. In my experience, islam tends to bring out the worst in people, even more so than most other major religions.
Muslim people have problems to solve
Odd way of putting it. The vast majority of ‘religious’ people have the common sense to not follow their violent religions to a T. The problem isn’t the people, it’s the religion. I’d hate if people disliked me when I was muslim just because I was one.
Barbaric religions like islam are fundamentally incompatible with modern society.
So one person kicking up a big fuss by burning a book is rising racism in the entirety of Europe
I wish there’s a similar reaction if one woman is raped or degraded, one gay person beaten or oppressed, one child molested, one dictator suppresses a population or one politician decides against environment, reason and humanity and for greed. But no, a fkn book was burnt. What would Mohammed say about that if he’d live today, hm?
He’d say “don’t care, I have 9 year olds to rape”.
Wait, what would similar reaction actually be? Would they send 100 000 women to Sweden?
he’d say ‘thats HaLaL’ and then proceeds to rape another 9 year old.
Hopefully we reach the point where we simply don’t gaf about anyone’s religion or lack thereof. Being offended is on you.
This is honestly the best response
Kuwait just tryna save the day. Meanwhile, Iraq is a lot more enthusiast (if a country can’t behave decently, its ambassador might as well move out).
Wonder what would happen if someone burnt a bible in Kuwait.
I guess: Applause. Or nothing at all.
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Yeah, try burning a bible in Bumfuck Arizona and see where that takes you.
The only difference is how much of the state machinery power the fundamentalist nutjobs hold.
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When did I once mention Islamic people? Did you angrily respond to the wrong person, or were you too busy slamming on your keyboard to make any sense?
And I will, thank you. Trump is a dumb fuck MAGA Nazi scumbag who only ruined this country. His one goal was to make America great again, and he didn’t even do that! Too busy taking more golf days than any other president in U.S. history I suppose.
Mainstream discussion of trans rights is what, 10 years old?
Do you also think gay rights discussion is 20 years old?
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Treating people from poorer countries as children or “undeveloped” while not questioning the belief that we westerners are at the center of the world. Also don’t question the inability of other peoples to develop on their own, because we are the only ones who have the brain to do so? Sorry, I’m struggling to wrap my head around western chauvinists.
They are undeveloped, because obviously our culture is superior, everyone should accept it. Ignore the economic part of the “superiority” or the legacy of imperialism.
This is how racism is born, in a nutshell.
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Actually you’re both generalizing too much (aka prejudicing), IMHO.
For example the largest muslim country in the World is … Indonesia. They’re pretty moderate.
Further, Islam is split in Xiites and Sunites and it’s the latter (which is majority one in such “wonderful” places as Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan) that has the most intolerant types (though Iran is majority Xiite and its government is a pretty shit bunch of theocrats).
Generalizing either “good” or “bad” over all Muslims would be like claiming that all Christians are like the ones in the Filipines (were some the faithful will do their own version of Christ’s Via Sacra, complete with getting crucified, to show their faith) or the deep south in the US (no explanation needed ;)) or if trying to make the opposite point go all about how the handful of highly educated Lutherans in Northern Europe are so discrete and unimposing in how they practice their faith.
Really, it’s not Islam, it’s some (maybe most, maybe not) Muslims and it’s religious governments in general (plenty of examples of all religions: for example, look at the current Hindu-nationalists in India) who use religion to control the undereducated (religious belief inverselly correlates with formal education).
And @hopelessbyanxiety@lemmy.world absolutelly, people with very little education tend to be far easy to say with any old bollocks. For example, even though I have a Degree and am a city dweller, my grandmother was illiterate from a crushingly poor farmer background and she actually believed soap operas were real and got very confused when she saw the same actor is different ones. It’s nothing to do with race, it’s to do with not even having the tools to be able to understand things beyond your little local bubble (which in the case of peasents, is really small), so much more easy prey for sophisticated types in positions of authority leveraging “tradition”.
I think you’re falling into the very trap you accuse others of falling into and projecting your own life experience on the “undeveloped” and thinking they can be just as knowing as everybody else: they can’t, not because they don’t have the physical capability but because they didn’t have the opportunities you had at school to acquire the necessary tools to find and understand most information out there, so they are reliant on world of mouth to “understand” the broader world and tend to defer to people in positions of authority. Even the ones who can read and write are often behind a language barrier which is often very local (just one country or even smaller) and thus unable to see beyond what the (often very controlled) local media shows them.
Mind you, there are plenty of other ways in which people are restricted to information bubbles (even in the English speaking world) and are unable to reason with strict logic and do actual analysis of what they hear, which often boils down to never having been taught the tools to think in a structure, logical way.
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glad to know you’re not generalizing, and correct me if i’m wrong but this is how i interpret your reply: some muslim people are really uneducated. Clearly these governements have no intention of educating their people (btw i can see that in a sense in my western country as well, the education system is collapsing figuratevely and physically).
My own conclusion: what you said is true, and we’ll have to see how the situation will turn out. We have no control over our own governments let alone those abroad; unless nato is going to bring peace and democracy yet again. We saw how that turned out in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, and probably others that i don’t remember
Yeah, you got my point perfectly (and summarized it much more succintly than I made it ;))
It’s really not about any specific religion, it’s about access to formal education and how certain kinds of politicians in government (mainly authoritarians, but even in Democracies - like Turkey and Hungary once were) will use religion to take advantage of undereducated people who are “believers” because their parents were and society around them tells them they’re supposed to be.
I agree with you that invading a country to bring “peace and democracy” would not even work if it was done genuinelly for those and those reasons alone (people have to want those things and conquer them themselves) but even less so when “bringing peace and democracy” was just a profoundly hypocrite excuse (very much the same shit as Putin’s “freeing Ukraine of Nazis”) for nothing more than greed and dominance.
The problems of access to education and authoritarianism (anchored on religion or not) are connected and I don’t think there are easy solutions for that.
Thanks for clarifying that you’re not racist, but its curious that you describe the islamic world as savage, again centering yourself in the west as the enlightened and modern person. And who decided we are at the center of the world? Colonialist slave owners?
I didn’t mean to come across as someone who would turn a blind eye on any atrocities. Its just that the instability, and therefore violence that ravages the Middle East (maybe that’s what you mena by savage?), more often than not comes from coups or the imf restructuring those economies on behalf of the US and the EU. I have no explanation for the Saudis, not sure how they’ve got to that point. I don’t turn a blind eye on this violence, I just try my best to not put such a big group of people in the “bad” box. (at least thats how i make sense of this)
Also i’m 100% sure, at least most of the poor nations have the capacity to develop, and we can see that recently with at least some diplomatic ties being reinstated or made stronger (Iran - Saudi Arabia - Syria - …), and trade routes that escape the sanctions, which affect a really long list of poor countries. For a problem that is out of our control, its weird to expect that everything gets solved in 2 seconds, with rationality and friendship. Does this make sense or should i back this with some sources?
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I’ve heard something like this, but imo it’s only partly true. Why would anyone want to “rule the world” as you said? To me it seems like the feudal system, from wich colonialism was born, concentrated so many resources in the hands of very few people. It’s not just that europe was regularly ravaged by famines. It was the system on top of the disasters that worsened the scarcity situation, also with kings going to war on a yearly basis. This is the kind of trauma that lasted for centuries, and got embedded in our culture. I mean, to this day the relations of unequal exchange are still standing, as if that was just how trade works.
I don’t see anyone else in history trying to do imperialism, not even china or india in their golden period. And although even them had their own feudal periods, i struggle to believe it was as disastrous as in europe. Their rulers didn’t feel the need to conquer the world
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Every time a muslim country makes progress the US invades them and installs dictators because their biggest nightmare is a middle east that is at peace.
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That just sounds like propaganda.
The US meddles a lot more than it should, agreed, but this is just not true.
I highly doubt they will
How about we send 100.000 copies of The God Delusion to Kuwait?
The Saudis already read it, and apparently didn’t care.
You mistake the religion to be a problem when it’s the most powerful and wealthiest countries that back theocracies like the Saudis and Isreel that actually fund wahabhism and induce acts of terror.
Better send Russel’s teapot.
Right after we find it
lol, thanks for the chuckle.
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Good plan. As they say, the solution to bad speech is more speech.
Sweden should send back a bunch of IKEA catalogues as a reply.
For every Muslim? That’s a lot of paper.
1000 should be enough. 1000 qurans aren’t enough for the whole swedish country as well.
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Those poor trees.
I wonder how many of them will end up in landfills. Probably over 95% - so thanks for letting even more get desecrated I guess?
As if we Swedes wouldn’t have mandatory education about the major religions of the world during school already. And I am pretty sure almost every school library carries copies of the quran, just as the bible and some other major scriptures.
