I’ll take both
Why are we getting weird and territorial about cheese and pasta?
Because it’s Lemmy
Forget it Jake, it’s
ChinatownLemmy
Yeah man, both at fine. I’ve had some great 4-cheese homemade mac’n cheese that doesn’t turn out too dry, but that seems to be the rarity.
How else can we keep racism thriving?
Yeah why are white people in this thread so goddamn triggered over what they claim to love?
I’ve never met a white woman who wouldnt say the stuff on the right is the best she’s ever had but had never had the the stuff on the left.
President’s Day
I maintain that Mac and Cheese is one of those foods that weirdly gets better the worse and more fake it is.
Ive had some gourmet shit and I always think “I miss the old Kraft one with the tinned cheese.”
Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome.
I do love the hot Chetto flavored Mac and cheese
I’ve had a box in my cabinet for a couple weeks, gonna make it now thanks to you.
Mac and cheese casserole is almost always inferior to the cheese sauce variety. The best versions meet in the middle, but I absolutely hate that eggy cheese quiche shit.
Good meme! (I have no clue what any of it means other than the dates)
Juneteenth celebrates the abolishment of slavery, I’d say people of colour are the most happy about that, and people of colour are stereotypically famous for making good food
4th of July celebrates the US independence, which though not a predominantly a white holiday more white people (on account of being a racial majority) will celebrate it, and white people are stereotypically famous for making bland food
This seems pretty dumb… I don’t typically attribute amazing Mac and cheese to minorities.
Like… Most other foods, sure. But this one? Come now…
and people of colour are stereotypically famous for making good food
Can’t say I’m familiar with that stereotype as it relates to black Americans. Immigrant minorities, sure.
The stereotype of white people making bland food is pretty common in the black community. And adding raisins to potato salad.
I have never heard of raisins in a potato salad and that sounds terrible.
I don’t think the meme itself is making that particular distinction, moreso just the difference in cuisine in general as a racial stereotype.
White => English
All whole people from anywhere else is proud of their food
as both Juneteenth and the 4th of July are American holidays, I referred to American stereotypes about Americans
Independence day == shitty
Junteenth == based
It’s dumb.
I assumed it was: “typical black family Mac and cheese” (baked, delicious)
“typical average American Mac and cheese” (not baked, more saucy, delicious)
4th of July is only better for me because I don’t get Juneteenth off even though I work in a school. Fucked it is!
This year was the first year I worked in an office that didn’t recognize Juneteenth. Someone still found a way to complain about people expecting Juneteenth off work and blamed Zoomers for it becoming the norm like it’s a bad thing
Gosh dang zoomers expecting nationally recognized holidays off, like this is the 20th century or something. Next they’re going to expect clean water, and acceptable working conditions.
My current company is the first one that does recognize Juneteenth as a holiday, so I assume I have a much longer work history than you.
I’m still not used to it existing so it totally slipped my mind and I would have accidentally come in to work, except one of the overseas guys pointed it out
I’ve been working for 20+ years and I’d never heard of it until a couple years ago. I don’t have a problem with it, celebrating stuff is cool, but it does seem to have come out of nowhere when it became a political issue. Maybe it was a regional thing before that.
It became a federal holiday in 2021
Yeah that was when I first heard of it. I researched it at the time and saw that it has been around for a long time but I had never heard of it before that and I’d consider myself to be pretty well read on history in general. Obviously enough people were aware of it to push for a holiday so maybe it’s just the part of the country I’m from it wasn’t celebrated much idk.
Same, I don’t understand how schools can weasel their way out of federal holidays so easily lol.
Why are we comparing two unrelated holidays like this
You realize that you’re talking about southern food right? As in not exclusively black?
Southern food is great because Southern white people have a different set of culinary influences than northern white people. I don’t know what that influence might be, but it must’ve been huge.
French, Scottish, native American, and west African.
I don’t think the point of the meme is that Mac n cheese belongs to black people. It’s that GOOD Mac n cheese belongs to black people. Maybe you didn’t notice, but the Mac n cheese on the left looks how it should while the one on the right looks like watery stoffers. If you didn’t notice, I’d say the meme is pretty accurate.
I get that, but the Mac n cheese on the left is made by people in the south, not just black people. In fact a lot of things labeled as “black” are actually just southern. Its just the south has better food than the north. White people are eating it too.
Edit: as a European who likes spicy food, anything you’re likely to get north of the Mason Dixon line is basically inedible slopp. Go eat a bowl of seafood gumbo and tell me I’m wrong. Go on, I’ll wait. And while you’re down there, bring me some southern maid donuts.
A lot of southern things were co-opted from blacks. It’s called soul food for a reason.
My wife is white southern and is passionate about black culture Mac n cheese
Does she have a cast iron skillet that she only uses for corn bread?
Apt user name 😂
I fisted your dad.
Mmmm, cheese leather…
What if cheese, but it was brittle and sharp?
In my mouf pls
Aaaaaaaah
Umm, yummy tbh, but that sounds a few steps beyond leathery. I don’t usually associate “brittle” and “sharp” with “leather”. “Chewy” totally. “Tough”, maybe.
I like flaming Hot Cheetos pasta
The Hague would like to know your location.
Oh baby
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Is that a real thing or a joke I’m too European to get?
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Where can I get this if it’s real?
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Where can I just get Flamin’ Hot Cheetos? Because they don’t sell the damn thing in my country :(
Yours sincerely,
flaming anus enjoyer
It’s real, and it’s glorious.
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Jesus christ kill this one with fire
Is this the origin story for Flamin’ Hot Mac and Cheese?
Both of those look disgusting. And I like Mac n Cheese.
Cheesy Mac ( the microwave shit) is not Mac n cheese
Mac and cheese is all macaroni cheese pasta.
I don’t think I’ve ever eaten microwaved Mac and cheese, don’t wish to try. If that’s what those photos are, then obviously disgusting.
I love this.
As a European: why would you do that to food? Also is that even actual cheese?
Ah yes, the smug European that has no idea that macaroni and cheese originated in Italy in the 14th century, was extremely popular in England from the 18th century, and was introduced to the US via France.
And yes, it’s cheese. Probably cheddar. You start with a bechamel and incorporate cheese to make a mornay sauce. Combine the sauce with the pasta and serve.
No. Combine the sauce with pasta, put it in an oven proof dish and grate extra cheese on top. Put in the oven until the topping is browned and bubbling. Then serve. (Also, add a bit of mustard to the cheese sauce, it perks up the flavour.)
Mustard also helps emulsify the sauce
Huh, I did not know that. Thanks! I was in a discussion over lunch the other day about chemistry - one woman revealed she was a chemistry teacher, which prompted an anti-science member of the group to scoff, “What relevance does chemistry have in daily life?” I gave cooking as a prime example of chemistry - cakes rise, sauces reduce, roasts brown. And now I can emulsifying to the list!
One reason I love cooking is it’s the intersection of so many different disciplines, combined with a creative aspect. Cooking is a combination of history, biology, chemistry, physics, math, and so much more.
I agree with all points (mustard included, I tend to use a bit of a coarse ground brown), but go further: Add a little truffle oil (and I mean a little, truffle anything is kind of like mustard in the sense that too much overpowers the flavor instead of enhancing it so it should be on the quiet side of subtle) and some parmesan/similar before grating the rest of the extra cheese on top and it’s amazing. I also tend to add a bit of heavy cream and a little butter to the sauce. I don’t enjoy most macaroni and cheese mainly because people make it boring, but this is the perfect medley of umami, acidity, fat, and salt without any one flavor being too loud. As a side I usually split and roast a loaf of bread with fresh garlic and olive oil on top and roast up whatever cruciferous vegetable I have around. It’s a great comfort meal that I particularly enjoy on cold wet fall days.
Edit: a word
Just made some yesterday at the request of my kids. Boil the pasta and grate a bunch of cheese, mix of whatever you have, hopefully some is sharp. Pour the pasta out into a colander (actually mine was half cauliflower, also at request of the kids). Put a whole stick of butter (had 1lb dry pasta plus a lot of cauliflower) in the pot and back on medium heat. Into melted butter put flour to make a light roux. Once that is ready, add milk slowly, whisking continuously until you have a sauce like for biscuits and gravy. Then add the cheese, let it all melt, keep stirring but with wooden spoon; stir in some mustard and any other seasonings you want, then the pasta.
Into buttered dish, topping (I used bread crumbs, shredded cheese works, crushed potato chips also work, or any combination of these) bake at 400f or so until the top is golden.
So good, not healthy even with cauliflower.
No probably with mac n cheese. Mild problem with processed cheese but if actual cheddar is used, that’s fine.
What I do have a big problem with is kraft mac n cheese mix. Got my hands on an American pack of it and it was disgusting. Tasted like I had just drenched the macaronis in weirdly sticky butter.
There was a version where the cheese came in a can and it was fucking glorious, then they discontinued it and now its a powder and its fucking terrible.
It really is disgusting stuff, but for those of us who grew up with it, it’s a weirdly appealing comfort food.
That’s what happens when you’re thinking of real food and eat ultra processed garbage instead.
Go eat some plain pumpernickel if you can’t handle actual flavorful food.
