• xmunk@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    34
    ·
    5 months ago

    I feel like there’s a chance - not good odds, mind you - but a chance that America ends up sanctioned and diplomatically isolated.

      • TexasDrunk@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        27
        ·
        5 months ago

        It’s like the Brexit folks that wanted the benefits of the EU and short lines at the airport but what they got was fucked and didn’t seem to understand why. “This isn’t the Brexit I voted for!”. Yes it is.

        “He’s not hurting the right people!”

    • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      ·
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      By who exactly? We are moving toward permanent tri-polar authoritarianism: China, Russia, and the United States. Nobody is coming to save us with “sanctions”. We already lost the war. It’s fucking over. People just haven’t come to terms with that reality yet.

      • Num10ck@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        5 months ago

        we? already lost what war?

        you think Russia today is top 3 global power? by what metric?

        • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          5 months ago

          you think Russia today is top 3 global power? by what metric?

          Yes, by individual military power, which is the only metric that actually matters when you get down to nut-cutting. Barring some massive geo-political or technological shift, it is going to stay a tri-polar world.

          • grue@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            9
            ·
            edit-2
            5 months ago

            Russia is pretty much a vassal state of China at this point, or at least barreling down the path towards it.

            • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              5 months ago

              Honestly, they needed to import weapons and ammunition from North Korea - I think they’ve since retooled their economy but shit was desperate there for a while.

            • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              5 months ago

              It seems that way, but I don’t think that is how the Russians see it. It will certainly be interesting to see what transpires after Mad Vlad finally kicks off.

              • grue@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                ·
                5 months ago

                LOL, I don’t give a fuck how the Russians see it; I care about actual reality.

          • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            5 months ago

            Lmao nah. Russia is the second best military power in Ukraine. They’re a fucking joke. If they were up against a real adversary in a conventional war, they’d get rolled up like an old carpet.

            • Riccosuave@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              5 months ago

              Fighting a land war with urban and CQC elements is messy and complicated. See: Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq as examples. Ukraine is in no way representative of what would happen in a full on shooting war, conventional or otherwise, between larger military powers.

              It’s disturbingly stupid that you don’t understand Russia could flatten the entire country of Ukraine if it wanted to. This entire conflict is about containment and bleeding their surplus conventional weaponry so they cannot launch another offensive conflict against NATO. That is only working because completely destroying the country is counter-productive to Russian interests.

    • Neato@ttrpg.network
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      5 months ago

      Like the other person said: who could sanction the US? Without us military presence China and Russia could bully the rest of the world. What’s happening in Ukraine and the South China Sea but in overdrive.

      Tanking the us economy means the us might get desperate and the US really only has one lever that works on everyone: force.

    • eran_morad@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      5 months ago

      Meh, least of our concerns. I wouldn’t be surprised of putin moved on Alaska and trump said “yes, daddy, it feels so good!”.

      • CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        5 months ago

        All his idiotic cult would pivot immediately, too - “Alaska was too woke anyway”, “we didn’t really need it anyhow”, etc…