On social media and web forums, users called for jurors, judges and prosecutors to be killed after the former president was found guilty on 34 felony counts.

“We need to identify each juror. Then make them miserable. Maybe even suicidal,” wrote another user on the same forum. “1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to washington and hang everyone. That’s the only solution,” wrote another user. “This s— is out of control.”

“I hope every juror is doxxed and they pay for what they have done,” another user wrote on Trump’s Truth Social platform Thursday. “May God strike them dead. We will on November 5th and they will pay!”

      • MagicShel@programming.dev
        76·
        6 months ago

        I’m so fucking tired of seeing this quote constantly… but it’s inarguably a pervasive problem. I need this to stop being true so I don’t have to see it all the time.

        • octopus_ink@lemmy.mlEnglish
          18·
          6 months ago

          There will just be another quote from RATM to take its place. Been listening to them a lot lately - there are so damn many relevant quotes in their music…

          You’ll never get away! mwuhuhuhuh

        • butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world
          13·
          6 months ago

          I feel the same way about “every accusation is a confession.” It’s such over simplified, sixth grade mean girl bullshit. Buuuuuuut it hasn’t been wrong lately, which is annoying lol.

    • stanka@lemmy.ml
      106·
      6 months ago

      Grizzled police-chief: get me those IP addresses

      Nerd: setting up the back-trace now, wait, the ip is 127.0.0.1

      Grizzled police-chief: don’t give me that geek-talk poindexter, speak english

      [Zoom in]

      Nerd: the post was coming from inside the station.

      [No one is shocked]

      fin.

    • credo@lemmy.world
      36·
      6 months ago

      Here is the problem: These people very carefully choose their words. It’s not illegal to “wish” all the jurors are outed, tortured, maimed, and drawn and quartered over a bed of coals- along with their families, neighbors and first grade teachers.

      See that’s all okay to say apparently. This is our legal system. It’s not until they actually say, “I’m going to […],” that LE gets involved. Because none of that other stuff was a direct threat, or intended to incite violence, or intended to instill fear. They were just harmless wishes. Super okay, and nothing to worry about, you see?

      • ZeroCool@vger.socialEnglish
        33·
        6 months ago

        Here is the problem: These people very carefully choose their words.

        This has not been my experience with Trump supporters on the internet. Ever.

        • credo@lemmy.world
          35·
          6 months ago

          This is exactly what they’ve done. Notice everything (except for “make them miserable”, which isn’t inherently illegal…) is placed on “someone else should…”:

          1,000,000 men (armed) need to […]

          I hope every juror is doxxed and they pay […]

          May God strike them dead.

          They know exactly what they are doing. Doing it mafia style, just like dear leader.

          Edit: Idiots downvoting what’s right in their face. Can’t believe facts, only emotions. Just like the idiots following Trump. Idiots are idiots. Here is more evidence for you, on this exact topic from reuters:

          While the posts identified by Reuters all called for violence or insurrection, most fell short of the legal standard for a prosecutable threat, which typically requires evidence that the comment reflects a clear intent to act or instill fear, rather than simply suggesting a frightening outcome.

          https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-supporters-call-riots-violent-retribution-after-verdict-2024-05-31/

          • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth
            9·
            6 months ago

            Yep, that’s how it tends to work.

            Until you start calling for people to directly start attacking people, then you are allowed freedom of speech.

      • FlowVoid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        6 months ago

        Yes and no.

        There are no “magic words” that make a threat legal. It’s always a question of context.

        For example if Don Corleone came to your business and said “Nice place you got here, would be a shame if it burned down. By the way I happen to sell fire protection”, that would absolutely be illegal even though he never said he would do anything wrong. The intent is clear to all.

        So it doesn’t really matter if someone says “I wish that guy was dead!” vs “I’m going to kill that guy!” Either one can be an illegal true threat, or not, depending on the context.

        • Konala Koala@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          Well, would that be the same as someone coming on here saying “Nice federated place you got here, would be a shame if it went down. By the way, I happen to sell DDoS protection”?

          • FlowVoid@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            6 months ago

            It could be the same, for example if you are talking to Whiterose. It’s always a question of context.

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
        2·
        6 months ago

        Didn’t they arrest some little 4chan Nazi for saying he wanted to kill a cop in Minecraft? Turned out the trick didn’t work for him.

    • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      28·
      6 months ago

      We really need better enforcement of laws on threatening civil servants.

      These jurors did a job that I might even struggle to take due to the likelihood of these assholes might fuck my life up. Imo, they should be given at least a year of Secret Service or US Marshall protection.

      I personally don’t trust the local PD to protect them.

    • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
      22·
      6 months ago

      Conservatives make up over 90% of police in the U.S. Conservatism should be a diaqualifier for positions of authority. It is unsafe to give such dangerous people power over others.

    • resin85@lemmy.caEnglish
      78·
      6 months ago

      It’s astonishing how quickly republicans have aligned to the behaviours of the Nazi party of the 1930s. They’re leveraging trump’s conviction exactly the same as the Nazis used the Reichstag fire to turn the power of the government against anyone opposed to them.

      • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
        19·
        6 months ago

        They’ve been working towards that since the 1930s literally. They planned their own coup attempt largely in the image of Hitler’s 10 years after his beer hall putch. Wealthy American robber barons and elected fascist, I mean Republicans planned to overthrow FDR and replace him with a business/ fascist friendly dictator. Only to do even worse than him and get caught and humiliated still in the planning phase. As a result they took a step back and decided a slower approach would be better. And have spent the last century slowly cranking up the fascism. Till today when people are finally starting to realize nearly a century too late.

        • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
          2·
          6 months ago

          They made the mistake of trying to recruit Smedley fucking Butler to their cause. That action alone speaks to the clear lack of intelligence behind the business plot.

  • hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
    144·
    6 months ago

    Conservatives are a threat to stable and peaceful societies, and an existential threat to the whole human race due to their climate change denialism. As long as we continue to pretend that conservatism is a valid political ideology and not psychopathy and sadism packaged up to look like politics, they’ll continue to undermine democracy and peace until they get the genocide(s) they keep clamoring for

    In the present research (N = 675), we focus on the relationship between the dark side of human personality and political orientation and extremism, respectively, in the course of a presidential election where the two candidates represent either left-wing or right-wing political policies. Narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and everyday sadism were associated with right-wing political orientation, whereas narcissism and psychopathy were associated with political extremism. Moreover, the relationships between personality and right-wing political orientation and extremism, respectively, were relatively independent from each other.

    We found eleven significant correlations between conservative [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad – [narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy,] all at significance level of p<.00001 – and no significant correlations between liberal [Moral Intuition Survey] judgments and the Dark Triad. We believe that these results raise provocative moral questions about the personality bases of moral judgments. In particular, we propose that because the Short-D3 measures three “dark and antisocial” personality traits, our results raise some prima facie worries about the moral justification of some conservative moral judgments

  • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
    132·
    6 months ago

    Conservatism should be openly treated as the deadly, dangerous ideology that it is. It produces only bigotry, oppression and death.

    In all of human history, nothing good has ever come from conservatism. Nothing at all.

    • spyd3r@sh.itjust.works
      11·
      6 months ago

      The statistics have Communism as a far more dangerous and deadly ideology, and it’s not even close.

      • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
        80·
        6 months ago

        What does communism have to do with progressives or conservatives? These topics are not related. Unless you are pointing to deadly conservative communist governments like the CCCP.

        • fukurthumz420@lemmy.world
          4·
          6 months ago

          i love how you slashed through that socialist/capitalist dichotomy and got down to the meat: right vs. left. let’s narrow it down even further: altruism vs. narcissism. you either have empathy and want to see other people live well, or you’re a selfish asshole. this is the true dichotomy. there are ways within different systems of law and economics to make life better for most people just like there are ways within different systems to make everyone miserable. intent is what matters. my intent is to purge this world of the narcissists.

          • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
            2·
            6 months ago

            …you either have empathy and want to see other people live well, or you’re a selfish asshole. this is the true dichotomy.

            Hear, hear! This is really what it all comes down to. I suspect sociopathy is a gradient scale where “woke leftist” is the lowest value on the left and “conservative nazi” is the highest value on the right. It all seems to come down to empathy.

      • solsangraal@lemmy.zipEnglish
        45·
        6 months ago

        LOL you thought you were going to do something in here with your boomer talking points you got from facebook

      • sndmn@lemmy.ca
        41·
        6 months ago

        I see you’ve read “Everything I Hate is Communism ; an Idiot’s Guide to Politics”

      • oatscoop@midwest.socialEnglish
        41·
        6 months ago

        Communism: an economic theory where the stated goal is achieving socio-economic equality.

        Social conservationism: a social theory based on returning to regressive “traditional values” and oppression of “deviants”.

        Totally the same thing.

      • sparkle@lemm.eeCymraeg
        20·
        6 months ago

        The right have killed significantly more than communists. We just don’t label it as murder when it’s capitalists, because making “lower beings” suffer is the intended effect of capitalism. Why is it not capitalism’s fault when conservative states fail catastrophically and cause the deaths of millions, but when a communist state fails it’s suddenly socialism’s problem?

        Conservatives refuse to acknowledge that capitalism is built on mountains of bones, hubdreds of millions of bones at least, and is still completely dysfunctional. Their criticism of better ideologies is just projection of that.

  • Ozymati@lemmy.nz
    78·
    6 months ago

    They’re a little late, the conviction has happened. If they wanted to interfere with the outcome of the trial they should have done that before the verdict. Silly treasonous fascists.

    • caffinatedone@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      6 months ago

      They’re not silly at all, they’re thugs. They want to influence the next one by showing the cost of going against them.

      Now, we’re lucky that they’re mostly grifting, incompetent, blustery cowards, so the risk isn’t what it could be.

      • fukurthumz420@lemmy.world
        6·
        6 months ago

        but it shows what happens when people start to get organized in retaliation. they could very well start to affect cases. this is not something to laugh at.

        we could use these same techniques in support of progressive causes, or we could fight back against their strategies. either way, don’t underestimate the power of this kind of resistance.

      • Dkarma@lemmy.world
        27·
        6 months ago

        I mean yeah but in their defense …oh who am I kidding. If you’re still defending trump you’re a trash person…there is no defense.

        • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
          3·
          6 months ago

          Yeah better to overplan and look silly when they give up and go home partway into phase 1 than to assume they’ll just go home but instead find yourself in phase 2 of their plan.

          That said, it feels like we’re in phase 30 of a plan that was probably started soon after the business plot plotters realizing they would get away with it completely.

  • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
    77·
    6 months ago

    I’m glad the jurors have been smart enough to stay quiet. Now that the verdict is in, there is nothing keeping them from going public with details about their deliberations, but they seem to have all agreed it is best to keep out of the public eye. I wonder if the two lawyers purported to be on the jury advised them of that.

    Still, I wouldn’t be surprised if at least one of them already has an advance to write a book about it, which we will see eventuallty. I wonder if they get to keep their notes.

    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
      67·
      6 months ago

      They absolutely should remain publicly silent until sentencing, personal safety aside. Publicly expressing opinions could be used in an appeal as argument for influencing the judge prior to sentencing.

      • radicalautonomy@lemmy.world
        21·
        6 months ago

        On the flip side, the judge should absolutely use Trump violating his gag order to express his opinions about the case and those involved to impose prison time as part of his sentence.

  • venusaur@lemmy.world
    52·
    6 months ago

    Imagine simping for this ugly, rich loser. I’d kind of get it if he was at least hot. Part of me thinks these simps are fake people that Trump and team created.

    • Pretzilla@lemmy.world
      25·
      6 months ago

      Mostly fake, foundationally created by pootin to get his favorite puppet elected, and to foment civil war.

      And the uber-loser maga simps bought and jumped all in to racist christofascistlandia.

  • FleetingTit@lemmy.world
    42·
    6 months ago

    Can someone please create an organization called “Pride Boys” and make them so popular that searching for “proud boys” on google will turn up images of rainbow flags and gay men?

      • Zahille7@lemmy.world
        19·
        6 months ago

        Yeah I’m not really comfortable with people just blowing this off as nothing more than people blowing smoke.

        It will absolutely escalate, I believe trump will absolutely straight up tell his followers to do something and they’ll fuckin do it.

  • Syrc@lemmy.world
    31·
    6 months ago

    “May God strike them dead. We will on November 5th”

    …is a “win” missing or are they openly saying they’ll kill them on election day?

  • SickofReddit@lemmy.world
    26·
    6 months ago

    I counter attack with, using their names to create an online fund raiser to make these reasonable people rich.

      • p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world
        25·
        6 months ago

        Why’s that? Because I’m not stupid enough, or in denial enough to see just how dangerous these people are? What, we’re supposed to sit around and laugh at them, and act like they’re nobody while they orchestrate another domestic terrorist attack?

          • p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world
            28·
            6 months ago

            They’re talking about KILLING PEOPLE WHO ARE LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS. We should absolutely NOT LEAVE THEM ALONE. They need to be treated like the terrorist filth they are and handled before innocent people get hurt.

            • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
              5·
              6 months ago

              The rhetoric of essentially suggesting someone do a mass killing is not helpful no matter how toxic those fucks are. How can you not see that?

                • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                  8·
                  6 months ago

                  “I’m going to kill them before they kill me” is probably not the most ethical way to solve your problems.

                • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
                  3·
                  6 months ago

                  No you idiot. What the fuck is so hard about understanding being as bad as your enemy? I didn’t invent the concept.

          • watson387@sopuli.xyz
            21·
            6 months ago

            That’s exactly why we need to stop handling these pieces of shit with kid gloves. They are an active threat and they’re willing to resort to violence to install a fascist leader. It’s not just a difference of political opinion and we need to stop treating it like that’s all it is. These people are terrorists. It’s not if, but when their violence surfaces.

    • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      9·
      6 months ago

      I’m upvoting both sides of this because it’s a discussion that ought to happen. Everybody please stop downvoting topical discussion that you disagree with.