• blazera@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Its resulted in lower prices for the industries subsidized.

    I have no idea what you mean by dumping and unsustainable. Why would the subsidies end?

    The only real solution is to actually make practical electric vehicles at an affordable price.

    Do you realize youre arguing against a method to achieve more affordable prices?

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      8 months ago

      I think he is stating that by subsidizing Chinese vehicles way below what could be practical to sell subsided non-Chinese vehicles at China can effectively kill off the non-Chinese automotive manufacturing capacity over enough time. Once this has been achieved China can increase prices drastically as Americans would no longer have domestic car options to buy, and creating a monopoly.

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        7 months ago

        Just like how people can no longer afford low end manufactured goods because China massively increased the prices once they took over that market, right?

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          8 months ago

          Considering we’re deficit spending with every budget cycle, I’d say no we don’t have the money. Furthermore, what about all the other brands sold in the US besides the three American ones of GM, Ford, and Tesla?

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              7 months ago

              I didn’t say it was. Deficit spending to build a highway that winds up generating a bunch of extra revenue is one thing. Deficit spending to make a singular product cheaper than another country who is doing the same is a losing game.

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            8 months ago

            Considering we’re deficit spending with every budget cycle

            So is china, and at a higher rate than we are.

            what about all the other brands sold in the US besides the three American ones of GM, Ford, and Tesla?

            What about em?

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              7 months ago

              How do they compete if the US subsidizes US companies and China subsidizes Chinese companies? Have you even thought through your proposal here? It certainly doesn’t sound like it. Waving your hand around and thinking money appears out of nowhere seems to be the limit of your analysis.

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                7 months ago

                How do they compete if the US subsidizes US companies and China subsidizes Chinese companies?

                Why would i care?

                Waving your hand around and thinking money appears out of nowhere seems to be the limit of your analysis.

                Are you imagining money just disappearing once its spent on subsidies? US has been spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year for decades on defense yet somehow we havent run out of money to spend. Learn how countries finance things.

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                  Why would i care?

                  Yes, why bother gaining some understanding of the topic you’re speaking about when you can instead remain ignorant and keep flapping your lips with poorly thought-out ideas?

                  Are you imagining money just disappearing once its spent on subsidies? US has been spending hundreds of billions of dollars every year for decades on defense yet somehow we havent run out of money to spend. Learn how countries finance things.

                  Are you imagining money just disappearing once its spent on subsidies?

                  When you spend your paycheck on bills does that money still remain in your account? The money doesn’t disappear but the person or government who originally had it, no longer has it. Are you proposing the government just start printing money to give hundreds of billions in subsidies to the auto industry? That surely won’t have any negative effects, right?

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                    7 months ago

                    When you spend your paycheck on bills does that money still remain in your account?

                    And yet the next month i still have money to spend on bills, no money printer required.

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          8 months ago

          Yes but the alternative is not having to spend tons of money to subsidize private industry and not letting China profit off of American auto sales.

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            8 months ago

            Its a worse alternative for the environment, we should both be investing in electric vehicles. Bullshit mindset when we could be having more affordable green technology and all people are thinking of is the economy. Fuck American auto sales, we dont need more gas guzzling SUVs in the world.

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              Honestly I’d that the lives saved from transitioning to EVs quicker is worth the trade. Eventually the car manufacturers will have to compete even if it means they stop making huge cars no one needs and start making smaller ones that travel further. I’m not going to pretend us manufacturers don’t abuse the fuck out of Mexico, India, and China when it comes to sourcing parts and labor, but the environment is a global win we desperately need.

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        7 months ago

        The military and government contacts alone will keep the big 3 in business. They’re in no danger of a mom and pop Walmart situation.