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    The Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

    Irrelevant, they were around when the things I linked to happened.

    I’m a little surprised you didn’t pivot to China.

    I’ve mentioned China in one of my other comments in this thread, specifically the Great Chinese Famine. I’m not interested in making an exhaustive list when a few counterexamples prove the point fine on their own.

    My point has never been that only capitalist/non-capitalist countries do awful things to the environment or economy or whatnot. My point is the opposite, in fact. There’s no particular correlation, people are selfish and short-sighted regardless of what economic system they’re working within. Because people remain people.

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      Irrelevant

      Might want to consult the recent history of plastics and the per capita rate of fossil fuel consumption before and after.

      specifically the Great Chinese Famine.

      The Last Chinese Famine? The one right before Chinese industrial agriculture ended famines in the country ever since?

      My point has never been that only capitalist/non-capitalist countries do awful things

      Whatever policy you have or practice you perform, privatization makes the ecological harm worse.

      Once you decouple the cost of waste from the surplus of production, your industrial practices get worse.

      That means capitalism is directly leading to excess waste.

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        Yes, the Great Chinese Famine, in which tens of millions of people starved to death due to botched agricultural policies under a communist government. A collectivist agricultural system, in which the farms were very much not “privatized.”

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          due to botched agricultural policies

          The botched agricultural policies in China were the same adopted in Western states for decades.

          A collectivist agricultural system

          Are you seriously arguing the problem with China in 1959 was a lack of landlords?