Shipping weapons to Israel, or Trump and shipping weapons to Israel.
By not participating in the question you have chosen Trump and shipping weapons to Israel.
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I had to re-read this several times to parse it.
Do you think most of us here advocating for voting for Biden wouldn’t be ecstatic if we got Biden and the removal of aid from Israel?
Like, don’t threaten us with a good time. The number of Israel apologists on the Fediverse is very small.
I think this is the new shill strategy to just introduce nonsense into the conversation to pollute and confuse. Maybe I am wrong and this person just had some kind of mental break, but I talked to them at some length and they seem absolutely committed to the idea that there are lots of Israel-supporters on Lemmy. Like I love Israel, but I also like Biden, and oh no what will I do if someone ever made me choose between them.
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Examples of people who refuse to answer:
https://lemmy.world/comment/9826540
https://lemmy.world/comment/9829361
The number of Israel apologists on the Fediverse is very small.
You should check my comment history to see how many people cannot give an answer.
Are you sure they’re understanding the question you’re asking? Because I’m seeing a lot of confusion in the replies to your comments.
In this hypothetical situation you only get to choose one.
- Sending weapons to Israel.
- Joe Biden wins the 2024 election.
Refusing to answer, coming up with a third option or saying the question is stupid defaults to option 1. Weapons are shipped to Israel and Biden loses the 2024 election.
Seems like I’ve explained it pretty well.
People would probably parse it better if you put the two options as
"1. Joe Biden sends weapons to Israel
- Joe Biden wins the 2024 election
Choose one."
That brings the contrast you’re trying to communicate more clearly, I think, connecting the loss of the election with the continuation of option 1.
Whereas phrased as it is now, many are interpreting it as “I know you want both of these things, but you can only pick one”.
many are interpreting it as “I know you want both of these things, but you can only pick one”.
… Then they’re interpreting it correctly.
Most of the people you’re asking don’t want both. At least not the people you’re asking here on the Fediverse.
Then they shouldn’t have any trouble answering. Just like you didn’t.
I love sending weapons to Israel, if only Joe Biden would also send weapons to Israel this choice would be so much easier!
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I’m legit confused
The grey guy on the left is all the shills on Lemmy pretending that not voting for Biden is helping the Palestinians, and saying they care so much about Gaza that they don’t want to vote for Biden
And the guy on the right is pointing out that not voting for Biden will make things ten times worse for the Palestinians (as it will for many other people the world over)
Right?
Based on who OP is, I don’t think that’s what they meant, but that is for real the only semicoherent interpretation of this meme I can come up with
Not just worse for the Palestinians, but worse here at home as well.
“I don’t want genocide!”
Your choices are Biden - who supports Israel despite their bad actions, and Trump - who supports Israels bad actions, wants them to be EVEN WORSE, and wants to enact those same policies in the US.
If you had to choose between continuing shipments to Israel or Biden winning the 2024 election what would you choose?
Purely hypothetical question here. Any similarities to reality are purely circumstantial.
Is this a trick question, or a joke I’m not understanding or something?
I would choose Biden winning in 2024 and no continuing weapons shipments to Israel.
As would like 90% of Lemmy as far as I can tell.
What am I missing?
As would like 99% of Lemmy as far as I can tell.
Ehhh maybe 60%.
What am I missing?
Pose this question around here and there. It’s ridiculously funny how many people cannot answer it.
As would like 99% of Lemmy as far as I can tell.
Ehhh maybe 60%.
I edited it down to 90%. I think there’s about 10% who misunderstand Biden’s domestic policies enough that they think he’s been destructive to unions or something, and so they feel reluctant to say they want him to win even against a clear catastrophe.
Do you honestly think there are a bunch of people (40% or 4% or 0.4%) on Lemmy who like weapons shipments to Israel? What are you basing this on? I’ve seen one person on Mastodon who seemed like they’d bought into a lot of the propaganda that discredits news about what’s happening to the Palestinians, and honestly believed the IDF was fighting a normal lawful war against armed opponents. That one person represents probably about 0.1% or less of the accounts I’ve interacted with; I have not seen any other person who I think would be in favor of aid to Israel.
But that is my experience; maybe I am missing something.
Check my comment history where I’ve asked this question. You’ll see several examples of people:
- Dipping out and never answering.
- Making up a third choice.
- Telling me that real life doesn’t have such binary choices.
Honestly I think because it’s just a sort of disorienting question. Ask “Do you want aid to Israel?” and I think you’ll see more of a unanimous consensus than you could achieve on almost any other issue.
Fair enough that may be true. I’ll keep toying with the language and see if it makes a noticeable difference.
It might just be that it’s a really stupid question
Why? Because you aren’t able to make a choice?
I mean, it is a counterfactual question in a way that makes people want to take a step back from it instead of just buying into the premise and giving a straight answer. The likely outcomes are Biden + aid for Israel, or Trump + aid for Israel, so separating Biden from aid to Israel sort of comes across like a non sequitur.
All fair points but you were able to make a decision ultimately.
I’ll keep toying with the language and see if it makes a noticeable difference.
Why not just ask, “Do you support aid to Israel?” What is the point of constructing this counterfactual and confusing choice? It’s not a language issue, it’s a “why is that the question you’re asking” issue.
It’s like, do you want Biden but with the support for Israel taken out of the equation? You’re gonna get a whole lot of people who keep slamming the “yes” button until it breaks if you ask that. Why do you think that would be a difficult question or a gotcha or something?
It’s establishing a priority. Their answer demonstrates if sending weapons to Israel is more important to them than Biden winning the 2024 election.
Some people cannot answer this question. Prioritizing Israel opens them up to the same accusations of supporting Trump they’ve thrown at others. Prioritizing Biden winning means they’d have to vote for someone who isn’t doing what they want. Either way it casts doubt on their perceived self image.
I mean, they’ve been shipping weapons to Israel under Biden so your question is kinda moot.
Are you unable to make a decision?
This is remarkably dumb.
Biden 2024
Ok, what do I win?
