Calling her a dishwasher is based on attitudes where women are the homeworkers. I see the joke as taking the piss out of people with that attitude, not the woman herself. We all know that she is a human being with thoughts and feelings like the rest of us and no one ever thought otherwise.
I’m not sure, but feel free to link to my previous comment whever you next see an oppertunity for a lemmy switcheroo. It’s not really my cup of tea, but it’s good to start something.
So it’s funny because some people with that attitude exist, and therefore you make a joke those people would make? How is that different from saying a racist joke and claiming you’re making fun of racists? (non-hostile question)
Throw in some subtle nuance in the delivery, and I’ve done similar to basically call someone a jackass to their face.
For a rough example - attending a kids birthday party in the presence of racist ex-inlaws. Somebody says something predictably racist, I say something obnoxious which on the surface sounds like I might agree with them for half a second, then the realization hits that I was making fun of them and I roll my eyes and walk away.
Satire requires a clarity of purpose and target lest it be mistaken for and contribute to that which it intends to criticize
Archie Bunker is a great example of satire that just reinforced prejudice among the people watching All In The Family who were already bigoted. They don’t see themselves or Archie as the joke. So ultimately you’re just giving air time to bigotry if your satire isn’t both scathing and clear.
I don’t know who you’re quoting, but it’s not me. I didn’t make the joke and if someone were to be actually misogynist in my life I would speak up about it. This doesn’t bother me.
I know it’s not from you, it’s a quote about satire in general. I posted it because it was relevant to the conversation.
I don’t think just repeating misogynistic jokes without commentary and then blaming people for not knowing it was actually ironic misogyny and not “real” misogyny is effective at critiquing misogyny or beyond criticism.
Not the person that made the joke, but…
Calling her a dishwasher is based on attitudes where women are the homeworkers. I see the joke as taking the piss out of people with that attitude, not the woman herself. We all know that she is a human being with thoughts and feelings like the rest of us and no one ever thought otherwise.
Yes, the old misogyny-switcheroo
Tell me there’s a switcheroo community/magazine
I’m not sure, but feel free to link to my previous comment whever you next see an oppertunity for a lemmy switcheroo. It’s not really my cup of tea, but it’s good to start something.
Contratulations, you’re the inaugural aroo
So it’s funny because some people with that attitude exist, and therefore you make a joke those people would make? How is that different from saying a racist joke and claiming you’re making fun of racists? (non-hostile question)
Throw in some subtle nuance in the delivery, and I’ve done similar to basically call someone a jackass to their face.
For a rough example - attending a kids birthday party in the presence of racist ex-inlaws. Somebody says something predictably racist, I say something obnoxious which on the surface sounds like I might agree with them for half a second, then the realization hits that I was making fun of them and I roll my eyes and walk away.
I can see how this could be fun to do, I don’t think I’d have the nuance to pull it off though
I mean, you don’t have to get somebody’s humor, but it’s funny because of how shocking and absurd it is. The same goes for some racist jokes imo.
Archie Bunker is a great example of satire that just reinforced prejudice among the people watching All In The Family who were already bigoted. They don’t see themselves or Archie as the joke. So ultimately you’re just giving air time to bigotry if your satire isn’t both scathing and clear.
I don’t know who you’re quoting, but it’s not me. I didn’t make the joke and if someone were to be actually misogynist in my life I would speak up about it. This doesn’t bother me.
I know it’s not from you, it’s a quote about satire in general. I posted it because it was relevant to the conversation.
I don’t think just repeating misogynistic jokes without commentary and then blaming people for not knowing it was actually ironic misogyny and not “real” misogyny is effective at critiquing misogyny or beyond criticism.
Thanks for your contributions, you put it way more eloquently than I. 🙂
Exactly. That and taking the piss out of people too sensitive to see that.