it’s gross and I hate it and stop it right now
I’m going to say it before anyone else does.
Linux.
Damnit, I came in here to post:
And the wind… whispers… Linux
Succeeding you, Windows
As much as i agree, the vast majority of people will just continue using what they had before, and still complain about how nothing works
Oh, I agree. I did however manage to talk my mom into letting me put Mint on her PC and she hasn’t complained even once. Small victories.
Same here. I installed Fedora on my old dev laptop, that my mom uses now, and she’s been really happy with it. Says everything just makes sense, coming from windows
Please keep saying that to my bosses until they listen.
I will if you want.
I’ll help also
We can get some penguin themed camping gear and clothes and post up in front of their bosses’ house and have loud conversations about Linux.
I’ll bring the snacks!
These words are accepted!
I’m only in if it comes with a Clippy skin.
Ahead of it’s time by decades
So seductive
I’ve only been using Linux for a few days. Am I allowed to have a superiority complex yet?
Nah, Linux is too mainstream, its more like a soft drug.
If you want the REAL GOOD STUFF you need to daily drive 9Front.
It is not about mainstream or not, it is a about superiority.
I wanted to make a Plan9 joke, didn’t even realize that there were new iterations, cool.
He mentions the good stuff and doesn’t even touch on TempleOS
I’ve been roaming Linux (meme) communities for years, but never heard of this, even though it originates from the Bell Labs. Thanks for providing me with a new rabbit hole!
Only if you use Arch btw.
Removed by mod
Done and done, thank you for the warm reception.
I run
archmint btw
Absolutely, that is legal from the first second of use.
After this news? Don’t feel the smug all atbonce or you will fucking die.
Good to know, I’ll be careful not to indulge too much! Though I did it proper with a Thinkpad as well so I may overdose anyway haha
When did Microsoft forget how to do stuff? No one ever said: Wow! I really, really like being forced to use something! My reaction to being forced to use it didn’t instantly diminish my desire to use this product!
Even IF their product is good, they crush my desire to try it with shit like this.
Ultimately, most people stay with the default option, that’s why they have to be aggressive. Look at the amount of screenshots even in advanced PC communities with ugly useless search bar enabled, which is taking 1/3 of the taskbar. I’m not even speaking about casual users who have no idea that it can be disabled.
yeah, it’s fucking exhausting to go through and disable the 10’s or 100’s of options they set by default that you don’t want. I have a computer that I have disabled updates on because they kept resetting my deeper configs with updates. I’m not getting another windows computer unless I have to because god that shit took so long to set up.
Why not leave the defaults as-is? They’re probably set like that for a reason.
Not sure what you mean. Do you know about Active Desktop in Win98? They’ve been doing shit like this since forever.
Sums it up right there. Goes for most of tech in the past decade or so though. Lots of incremental upgrades and nothing really mind blowing. Imo AI is not. At least not yet.
classic microsoft, shoving things down users’ throats without consent.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Users not putting their foot down and switching to a different OS is all the consent they need. I dropped windows a few years ago when I felt they were just getting too invasive.
I’ve seen movies about this. Usually there’s tears involved.
I do think that microsoft copilot is good enough for alot of people. I really like it, much more than chat gpt. And that they give you “GPT 4” for free which is cool
Would I love it being forced? No
They will create the same situation as Ubuntu Snap. Is Snap bad? Actually not. Is everything else regarding Snap like Snap Store or the fact that they force it down your throat good? No
Copilot likes you back! Actually it has fallen in love with you. Now it downloads automatically wherever you go. Even in the shower when you’re pretending to not touch yourself. Oh it knows everything! C’mon think about purchasing someth…too late! It’s already delivered! Pilot cancelled your meeting with Stacy Fredrickson. It’s jealous of her. But don’t worry because pilot can have any boob size you prefer. In fact pilot is any ethnicity you are attracted to and is waiting for you in bed right now. Just pick up the various items from the porch to make a sensitive feedback gizmo so you can pilot can be together foreve…30 years or so per the contract. Anyway, Microsoft is proud to present pilot. Pilot would like you to please call her Jessica. And if you use your last name with her, she will get you optimized seating and personalized flight paths.
Relevant movie!
lol
How do you like it better than chat gpt? Isn’t it the same thing?
Not exactly, ChatGPT is OpenAI’s GPT interface. Whereas CoPilot is Microsoft’s, and has a bunch of plugins and tweaks to suit their uses. The underlying model is the same, but not the customisation.
Think of it like different flavours of Android. Samsung, Google, and Nothing all have their own spins, even if they all run Android under the hood.
Also ChatGPT 4 is paid but Copilot is free
For 30 usages though. Good backup if ChatGPT fails to give you a good answer.
What plugins?
Unclear, as I don’t work for Microsoft. But searching Bing isn’t part of the default GPT function set, that’s at least one proprietary one that they’ve specifically done up for their own uses.
And I notice that after today/yesterday’s update, my Win11 machine “helpfully” put a Copilot icon in my taskbar without asking me. Thanks?
I poleaxed it in the registry. Yes, I saw the toggle in taskbar settings. No, I don’t care. Disable that shit. Get it off my computer.
I wonder if Microsoft will get the point if people keep asking it “Can I use msconfig to disable copilot?”
msconfig for those unaware:
Saving for the next time I decide to switch to the windows drive, how ever long that takes
Hey has anyone mentioned LiNuX yet??
Only way to avoid this shit at this point.
Or use a 20 year old unsupported version of windows?
All my homies use TempleOS
Also that. I stand corrected.
Issues are:
- Professional audio is nearly nonexistent on Linux, save for some pretty well done API. You’re stuck with default drivers, and the main DAW for Linux (Ardour) interprets the “free and open-source” a little bit liberally (pre-compiled versions are paid, and there’s no guides on how to build them). LMMS fortunately does not suffer from such issues, and is a pretty good free alternative for FL Studio.
- As long as Windows will be mainstream, development needs there too. As a game developer, I prefer to primarily develop on Windows (since most gaming is done there), and I find a lot of issues with how stuff on Linux is being done. And since I found a pretty good debugger for Windows, I also started to prefer that too.
- Linux still suffers from what I call “developer comfort of UX discomfort”. Basically it stems from the devs getting comfortable with bad UX, then refuse to fix it due to a multitude of excuses, including gems like “wanting to avoid spoonfeeding the users” and “introducing users to the beauty of scripting”.
I was pleasantly surpsied by how much audio has improved on Linux when I came back to it this year with Ubuntu studio. Reaper or Bitwig are the way to go. Plugins are the main problem, bridging works OK apparently, but there are some decent native options too
It already does on my laptop. They also keep setting my default browser back to Edge. I don’t use my laptop much anymore and keeping up with the BS of having to disable stuff I don’t want running has become tiresome to the point where I don’t even want to use it.
I know, I know, something something install Linux! Question I have there is my laptop is a gaming laptop so my question to all you Linux folks is. Can I continue to game using Linux. Will it work with my Nvidia Graphics card and Steam. If so I might consider it.
Yes you can game on Linux. Lookup your games on ProtonDB to see if they are all compatible. Most games run fine unless they have kernel level anticheat that stops them from running. On Steam, you just have to enable Proton and windows games will install normally.
Ppl tend to sugarcoat Linux to new users, so let me make a reality check: gaming is possible on Linux, but in a limited sense, and it might cost time and sanity.
Some games work natively, some need a workaround, some require you to craft your own solution, and some straight up won’t.
The percentages shift, where there’s slightly more games working natively or requiring a basic workaround, but the baseline is the same.
I dont have a windows machine, i game exclusively on linux and its got to the point where i just buy games on steam and assume they will work fine through proton. I honestly cant remember the last one that didnt. Shit i got the c&c collection on steam recently hopping to play generals with a friend, but while it works fine for me on linux its broken for him on windows.
Yeah, I’ve had such an easy time of it that I’m actually surprised when a game doesn’t work in Linux now too. Which is a reverse of how it used to be.
I switched from Windows to Linux in the last year.
There are sometimes odd things to configure, but it’s no more difficult than the windows XP era was.
It is much much easier than Linux used to be due to Steam, and I find I more often have problems with smaller indie games than big ones.
I’ve been playing Cyberpunk, Baldurs Gate 3, Stellaris, No Man’s Sky, Crusader Kings 3 no problem. Plus many others.
I tried to game on Linux for many years with wine, but it was Steam that actually made it feasible for me .
The issue with Nvidia cards is that some Linux distros don’t install their proprietary drivers by default and the open-source version is only just starting to catch up.
Most will ask if you want to install the OS with Nvidia’s drivers, or they’ll have an option somewhere in the settings for a one-click install.
This was me a few weeks ago and I decided to install PopOS.
They make laptops that ship with nvidia GPUs so naturally they would want their OS up to date and working with the drivers. I do tinker here and there but so far I think it’s a good set-and-forget OS.
Laptops are harder because they rely on more proprietary hardware and need more advanced power management.
Gaming is mostly respectable. The biggest exception is multiplayer games deliberately blocking Linux because it doesn’t allow them to install their rootkit anticheat.
I use nobara, which has some nvidia focused tweaks automatically handled for you, and has largely been pretty smooth. However, you should know that there’s a real possibility of needing to roll back, drop to the command line, or make some other tweak to resolve driver issues. It’s not a regular occurrence (and both AMD and Nvidia have also borked windows releases), but maintainers dealing with Nvjdia have been frustrated with some of their decisions in the past and still have to jump through hoops sometimes. Some distros more targeted at casual users do a decent job of abstracting it away though.
I looked into it and tried it myself just today. For the most part it’s fine but you’ll have to be prepared to do some tinkering here and there. Most of the games I wanted to play are listed on proton as works but with some issues.
I set up popOS yesterday and tried to install satisfactory today via steam but it wouldn’t let me and when I filtered my games lost for Linux it shrank down to a very small list. Iirc it was listed on proton as gold or even platinum so there must be a way to get satisfactory to run but I honestly couldn’t be asked today so I set up dual boot and went back to windows for now.
I think that’s the way to got for a newbie. Set up dual boot and whenever you have the time & patience to try to get something to work on Linux go for it but when you just want to relax and play some games (or multiplayer) boot up windows.
I think Linux for everyday use is just fine even though popOS could use some UX designers.
Filtering the list for linux will only show games with native versions. As far as I know, Satisfactory doesn’t have one so you will have to use proton. Go into the steam settings and enable proton for all games. Or if you don’t want to enable it for your whole library, go into the game settings in your steam library and activate it for each game.
Go to the compatibility menu in settings and set a default version of proton, and it will let you install whatever (though there’s still the possibility of it not working).
You’re right that it’s a bad experience, and I’m not sure when it changed to not have a default or if it’s a bug, but that’s the solution for that issue.
for your laptop i recommend looking up compatibility with your model first and be prepared to go back. some hardware may not be supported.
nvidia might have some trouble on Wayland for a while but i haven’t had much day-to-day issues on x11 except with the various sync technologies being difficult to get working as expected.
Steam is works well for most games but note that for games with multiplayer, anti-cheat oftens only allow Windows
Recently I changed to Linux (running fedora) and I haven’t looked back since. Fuck Windows
It just suddenly appeared yesterday on my daughter’s Windows 10 notebook. We played with it for like 2 minutes, decided it sucked, never went back. I mean what’s the point of an AI which, when asked, “draw a picture of how stupid you are” (my daughter’s idea) ends the conversation?
You made me realize I haven’t fired up my Windows 11 machine in a while, so I went to check it – even re-enabling the copilot toggle … which weirdly did nothing. Then I remembered I had lobotomized all the AI and assistant “features” a while ago.
I’m a little disappointed: I wanted to ask Copilot “How do I purge you from my machine?”
Not ANOTHER thing I need to disable when I do a clean install…
May as well add it to the .reg file you cart around on your thumb drive. I have one that already disables all the Windows “consumer features” and turns off all the lock screen nags, Cortana (this is no longer relevant, though), etc.
It’s in:
HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot
And also:
HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot
In both locations, create a DWORD “TurnOffWindowsCopilot” and set it to 1. Reboot.
PC MASTER RACE
Debian + KDE Plasma, folks.
Believe me, you don’t need Windows.
The pain of being dumb enough to buy a brand new gaming notebook with an nvidia gpu… But I’ll return as soon as possible. The pain of using win 11 is unbearable.
It’s not like you can’t use Linux on a laptop with Nvidia GPU. It’s just that AMD works better (and isn’t as much of a PITA in how they treat regular Linux customers).
Yes, I know. I used a notebook with a 950 before and it worked perfectly fine. But with this new one I get too many error messages for now under Linux, many games and other stuff that worked pefectly fine on Linux on my old 2016 model Notebook, didn’t work at all and the only thing I could find out is that this are some driver problems. I decided to wait a while and try again. No time for a neverending odysee of tinkering nowadays. I will try Kubuntu next month, hoping the newer Kernel will take care of my problems and if it works probably move to Linux Mint 23 later on.
Everybody preefer 10 for sure. They don’t follow what people wants
We still use Win 10 at work. I prefer any Debian based Distro, but the differences between 10 and 11…
If you are not a creator or a gamer may be…
I run DaVinci resolve in Linux just fine…
Lol try to run the top 3 games and tell me.
I beat Elden ring and doom eternal on Linux. Not sure what “top 3” are in your eyes, or what time we are talking about. Oh, I also beat cyberpunk 2077 on Linux too.
Not sure what you mean by “top 3 games”, while I’ve never been interested in anything that uses anticheat, literally everything else I try to play on it works
And for anticheat stuff, this explains pretty well what does/ doesn’t work
Interesting site. That’s what I did mention by top 3: LoL, Fortnite, or Valorant are not supported due to anticheat. Those are the most played games.
Interestingly those are all games where the devs themselves decided not to be compatible, LoL was even compatible earlier this year before they implemented their current anti cheat system
Personally speaking client side anti cheats, particularly those that run at kernel level, are something you’d have to pay me a significant amount to install on my computer, but that’s me
Agree. But we speak about 350 millions gamers.
Linux is great for both these days.
Not so good for adobe shit unfortunately
Yes and daw
There are alternatives, depending on which Adobe software you usually use. For photos and vector I use Affinity, which works well via Wine… and there’s no subscription, either.
As long as you don’t have tons of peripherals, don’t want to play Fortnite and don’t need 200 pieces of software, and if you have enough knowledge, yes, it can be the solution. It’s still difficult to do the swap for companies, or if you don’t have any skills related to computers.
Didn’t they already do this? I thought I remember after a Windows 11 update a couple of months ago I had that copilot shit on the taskbar and auto-enabled.
I disabled that shit immediately
I’m in the EU. I already uninstalled Copilot.
FWIW and for anyone else reading this, I am running Win10 Pro in the US on my work machine and it let me uninstall Copilot just now when I tried it.
Yeah me too. It was annoying.
I’m in the insider program (been too lazy to reset my computer and leave it) and for a while it would auto launch with the sidebar open for a bit. I had to close the copilot sidebar every time I booted my computer. They have since removed that “feature”
