I know it’s .ml where such things happen but ffs! This guy needs to fucking chill 🤦
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worldnews at .ml is a dumpster fire. First community I had to completely scrub from my instance because it was just so toxic from top to bottom.
Edit: Also, will share my last comment there before I self-banned and purged that cesspit from my instance. This is in reply to someone making a fat joke about Kim Jong Un:
Good 'ol ambiguous Rule 1 lol
What you didn’t realize is that Kim Jong II is actually the mod
Margaret Cho played the absolute hell out of that role 😆
I tried to give that instance the benefit of the doubt at first, but I just block all lemmy.ml communities when I see them now. There’s just too much user and ideology overlap with lemmygrad and hexbear. The worldnews sub was especially bad though. Disinformation & insults everywhere, but they’re never removed despite reports, because they’re part of their side & agenda. It’s basically lemmygrad in disguise.
You too, huh!
This is the comment and of course toothy banned me for 3 days too.
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
That’s like that meme post from a few years ago where it’s like (paraphrased):
Person 1: “I can’t stand homophobes”
Person 2: How dare you insult Christians like that.
Person 1: I never said “Christians”. You jumped on that grenade all by yourself.
Just like they did for “sinophobia” when I expressed misgivings about Chinese and Hungarian cops joining forces 🤦
Just love the thing where they twist any criticism of the Chinese state into perceived hate for Chinese people, but are so apprehensive when Israel tries to do the same. It’s reprehensible.
Yeah that’s some petty bullshit.
Side note but I really appreciate the mod log feature.
Yeah, me too. It’s a great feature!
If only we could see mod names in the modlog…
You can in a link from your profile tab in Voyager, that’s were I got the dark mode screenshot from 🙂
Oh, that’s cool. But it would be cooler if it was visible in the instances’ modlog aswell
I was also banned from worldnews@lemmy.ml and had comments removed for “Re-enforcing neo-liberal cultural hegemony” and “Believes in objectivity in media lmao”.
My offense? Saying that a report sourced solely from an eye-witness account via Al-Jazeera regarding another massacre of civilians and aid workers in Gaza needed to be corroborated by further evidence before we regard it as hard fact. The irony is I’m very much pro-Palestinan.
According to the mods, however, that apparently means I have to throw all media literacy out of the window and blindly accept any anti-Israel claims without question.
That community is wild, but the discussion over Gaza over there is fucking crazy. Al Jazeera is one of their more credible sources, you can find articles from websites nobody every heard of, small blogs that state IDF soldiers are eating babies. And that is no exaggeration, that was the last thing I read before I left that community…
Exactly what prompted me to comment, since the blog that sourced Al-Jazeera also added certain details that didn’t seem based on anything like actual evidence. Although I admit it wasn’t anything near as extreme as the IDF canibalizing babies.
If we must call out pro-Israel propaganda that makes outrageous, unsubstantiated claims like that, we must do the same for pro-Palestinian propaganda, regardless of how we personally feel about the conflict.
I start almost every comment I make on those instances with
I know this will net me a ban
to play a bit of reverse psychology with the mods there, who don’t touch my comments when the denizens there inevitablely say
Oh yeah you think you’re so smart well we don’t ban opposing opinions unlike some places
And the mods there have their hands tied because banning me would prove their own guys wrong.
It’s worked pretty well so far.
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There’s such a polarization and paranoia that any comment that’s not 100% unwavering support is considered an attack.
The irony of a communist banning someone over “McCarthyism” when what the banned user said was not even close to McCarthyism, making the mod action itself McCarthyism.
They’ve become the very thing they hate!
Everything I don’t like is McCarthyism
This engine is McCarthyism.
Oh is this the new “Gaslighting”?
I don’t like gourd veggies. Is that McCarthyism too?
You were suppose to destroy the Sith, not join them
Usually I hop in these threads ready to tell people why they deserve to be banned, but dang. There is nothing wrong, ethically or factually, in what you said.
One of their mods banned me for pointing out that Chiang Kai-Shek genocided the communists in China before the Long March. Sometimes they hurt themselves in their confusion.
It’s just a job for them, at the end of the day.
Not saying he should have been banned, but factually it was wrong, the FRG was mostly staffed by “former” Nazis. A lot of Germans saw it that way, see Baader-Meinhof.
Also it’s disingenuous to call one of the biggest arms manufacturers who supplied arms to some of the worst regimes, Israel, Sudan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Russia “pacifist”.
Sure would be nice if your instance would allow you to rebut op with your view of the situation rather than scrub their comment and ban them. Lemmy needs more content to grow and over active jannies don’t help on that front.
Frankly everything these days is a matter of option. You aren’t going to get anywhere by trying to force an issue. A mod should simply let the community correct any factual errors so they are not getting involved.
To be fair discussing politics online was a disaster on day one
see Baader-Meinhof
Yep the whole thing was, in retrospect, the second wave of denazification. Less so about the actual ideology, but deeper attitudes underpinning it. Things like the Jubelperser incident are completely unthinkable nowadays. The attitude by far isn’t dead yet as you can see e.g. when it comes to the reaction to Extinction Rebellion but it’s quite a ways from its former harshness and unquestioned acceptance.
And just for the record: The RAF’s methods were never in any way popular. A cultish splinter group of a splinter group with very problematic internal dynamics not taking long to be more occupied with employing terrorism to free its members from prison than with any political struggle. Lots of issues with the urban guerilla in general, CCK Philosophy has an essay about it.
Reducing the whole 68 movement in Germany to the RAF would be doing it a great disservice.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
CCK Philosophy has an essay about it
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
This is why I’ll personally never donate to the Lemmy devs. I could never bring myself to fund a tankie.
It’s not the only one but one of the bigger reasons why I don’t use Lemmy.
I’m glad we don’t use Lemmy, oh wait
I literally don’t.
How am I reading this comment then?
Because our servers & software that we’re using are federated.
Well you use it passively at least.
Although that also means you technically use Mastodon.
Maybe its communities but that’s a bit weird too because in the end it’s more the ActivityPub protocol that we all share the use of. Ultimately I’m neither on Lemmy nor Mastodon, but their content gets federated with the platform I’m using.
What a time to be alive.
If you post a comment to a Lemmy instance, are you using Lemmy?
Federation
Only if I do it through Lemmy (the software). Or would you say you are on mbin because you replied to my comment?
Hmm, probably not. If I was on a community based on mbin though, maybe?
I didn’t let that prevent me from using Lemmy, however, I found that I liked Mbin a lot better. Fedia.io has become my favorite forum type website.
They seem fairly chill as far as I can tell. Its some of the long time users that are the problem
Until you realize some of these long time users are likely sockpuppet accounts of said devs.
But I find it rather funny and in the end their political believes while themselves sitting right in the “imperial core” are harmless. Armchair tankies.
Well, I don’t know. I just know that the devs seemed nice and friendly in the QA
Ironically enough, there’s some actual McCarthyism going on in here.
Is the McCarthyism in the room with us now?
Okay sockpuppet boi
I have had my comment removed and/or banned from the ml worldnews for “misinformation” for debunking Russian propaganda with sources.
Why do we allow these instances?
You can ask your own instance admin if they’re willing to defederate
Babe, wake up; a new .ml wrongthink euphemism dropped
Oh, I got banished from a whole instance on Mastadon for saying that the Apple Safari team looks at every bug request (and they do):
Little fucking Napoleons will ruin social media, not matter what platform.
You sure it wasn’t because the admins harbor deep resentment toward both Dutch people and guys named James and you just had the bad fortune to exemplify everything they hate?
First off, …HEY! 🧐
Secondly, this isn’t “Goldmember”. Should I arbitrarily hate other countries for shits and giggles? …And who says I’m even Dutch? Maybe I’m like Kirk and I only work in The Netherlands.
Thirdly, they seem to love to hate on Apple there. I had the comeuppance to suggest Jen Simmons and the Safari team actually read the bug submissions (and she’s recently been on numerous videos, podcasts, and in posts on Mastadon saying so) and pushed back on their emoji-malarky.
On some instances, opinions other than the admins need not apply. Hopefully you’re not suggesting as much, even with the digs at the Dutch (who aren’t that bad, but like many, many other countries, aren’t all good either).
this isn’t “Goldmember”. Should I arbitrarily hate other countries for shits and giggles?
Absolutely not, I didn’t mean to imply approval, merely to make fun of bad mods by ascribing bigotry to them 😉
And who says I’m even Dutch? Maybe I’m like Kirk and I only work in The Netherlands
True, but anyone unreasonable enough to be bigoted towards the Dutch probably don’t care about such distinctions 🤷
they seem to love to hate on Apple there
That’s the only thing they’re right about, though. They shouldn’t have banned you for your comment, especially not if it’s true, but Apple DOES suck in nearly every way possible 🤷
On some instances, opinions other than the admins need not apply.
Yeah, I’ve noticed lol
Hopefully you’re not suggesting as much, even with the digs at the Dutch
For the record, I’m a big fan of the Dutch in general 😄
Belgians I can take or leave, though…except on second thought they make some truly wonderful beer so they can stay 😁😉
If I only hate the Dutch that means all people I hate must be Dutch. Simple as.
All cool on many things, except one:
they seem to love to hate on Apple there
That’s the only thing they’re right about, though. They shouldn’t have banned you for your comment, especially not if it’s true, but Apple DOES suck in nearly every way possible 🤷
To which, all I can say is:
Which instance? We should maintain a list of these instances to ensure we don’t lose our data due to idiots like them.
What was your original comment?
Clearly I’m a bastard.
Just block the community/instance and move on
No, even though they don’t like the instance, they are required to post in it for whatever reason and then cry when they predictably get modded.
Makes sense!
It’s funny to me that they don’t admit what they said but want sympathy apparently.
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You guys are getting notifications? I just notice the lack of upvotes after a while posting into the void.
Some of the mods will cite the reason for take-down, which is genuinely nice and appreciated and something I forgot even existed after too much time on Reddit.
Interesting. Reddit does prompt you to give a removal message, or did at one time.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
[emphasis mine]
Sure about that? From what I’ve seen, anything said in disagreement with the predominant opinion over there (and on hexbear, especially on hexbear) is deemed “bigotry”. They don’t appear to be interested in ingratiating anyone to the cause.
… That’s exactly what I said. Or, at least, what I tried to say.
Some of it is actual bigotry, because this is still the internet, but if they just want to shut someone up it’s also “rule 1”.
Okay, gotcha, I was looking at it from their point of view, which is that everything to them is bigotry, not realizing that that’s what you were saying in the first place. The bad, it is mine.
4.1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.Nope, it’s still rule 1 on .ml specifically. Or are you accusing me of bigotry out of the blue? That would be ironic in this context.
I’m simply quoting lemmy.ml’s rule 1 in its entirety. I wrote “4” in error.
which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.
Maybe. But I also see a lot of 4chan-esque double speak and “Free Speech” concern trolling that’s all the fuck over Reddit constantly without ever getting any kind of take down.
Reddit admins have automated so much of their policy that you’re posting in a minefield. You don’t know what arcane caveat you’re going to trip over that’ll get you suspended or banned. But you still find yourself hip deep in the most virulent bigoted, war-mongering, and overtly vile comment threads, because older heads know how to tip toe around the trigger words.
Yeah, both can be true. There’s no way they’re close checking every comment on the instance, looking at the rate of mod actions versus traffic.
Head over to lemmy.ml and scroll to the mod log link at the bottom if you want to see for yourself. A lot of it is just slightly different views on the same socialist stuff. Like the time I said Dengism was just thinly-veiled capitalism, and got banned.
It’s literally one of, if not the, original community, and it’s the one maintained by Lemmy’s developers. It’s probably smaller than .world, but dwarfs my instance.
If you try to post again and get a certain error you’re banned from the community, then you can check that community’s server’s mod log (if it’s public)
It just silently goes through, but nobody else can see it. I only know it happened because of the modlog. Weirdly enough they got me the first time for mild criticism of Israel, which I did not expect to be an issue on there.
Might be silent removal of posts instead of ban
Nope, it was a two-week ban in the .ml mod log, both times.
I should look at the source code a bit, see how bans are supposed to work. It could be a federation issue of some kind if I’m supposed to be notified.
I was banned for “Rule 4” which, by digging through their rules (which weren’t as easy to find as I expected it to be) I learnt that it was “Illegal content”. I literally never posted a comment, post or had ANY kind of interaction on lemmy before. THIS would be my first comment.
I had a post made up of almost exclusively links to news sources (to back up a previous claim) removed due to being “uncivil”
Something similar happened to me with a community on hexbear. Never posted but I already had a ban. The mods must have seen a comment or something on a different community on the instance. Some of the mods there are just as think skinned as on ml.
The rules are generally on the sidebar of the community or instance (depending on if you want to know the rules of the community or instance).
I just had one removed from news as well. I don’t even remember what I said though so I somehow doubt it was something that crazy
Found it in the modlog, not posting it here, but you suggested someone killing themselves was a good thing… Yeah, that’s going to get removed.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=144966
From this post:
https://lemmy.world/comment/9274535
Rule 1 - Be civil
I’m still undecided as to who is more irritating to deal with… the tankies over in .ml or the liberals over here.
It’s a tough competition for sure lol. I’d say that the tankies edge it, but woe betide anyone criticizing Biden for anything on .world.
“I don’t think that knowingly supplying the bombs used to commit genocide is great”
“Oh yeah? Well, TRUMP!”
