I think I understand. You think it is misinformation. But it would only be misinformation if the underlying message isn’t true. This might help.
It depends on whether the viewer thinks this represents the hypocrisy of trans ally neoliberals who persecute and punish unhoused people for existing near them.
It’s like this real photo from the Black Lives Matter protests:
It was criticized at the time for the hypocrisy of recuperating the protests. If the photo was faked, would it be any less true?
By your definition, there is no difference between deceptive fake news stories and satire. My Facebook wall in 2016 was filled with true news stories and satire and nothing else. You could post whatever lies you want so long as there’s some underlying truth in there.
Then when called out just say it’s satire! You can say pizza gate wasn’t meant to be taken literally. It was just satire pointing out how the elites and lawmakers are abusing our children. Q Anon and Stephen Colbert are two the greatest satirists of our time.
With the advancements of AI, we are going to start seeing more and more fake things that are indistinguishable from reality. If most of the people are convinced the fake thing is literally real, and even if that was the intention of the post, it will still be considered satire because the underlying message is true.
I’m going to assume you don’t believe neoliberal trans allies are being hypocritical about systemic oppression when they advocate for trans rights while shunning the rights of the houseless.
If that is the case, it’s understandable that you would see this post as deceptive misinformation.
But if you understand that systemic oppression affects all intersectional minority groups under capitalism, then you might interpret the post as biting satire.
Just because I don’t understand quantum entanglement doesn’t make it any less real.
Was Stephen Colbert deceptive in the Colbert Report and misinforming the public with fake news? Or was he using satire to inform the public of the hypocrisy of conservative language?
Hmm, biting satire or deceptive misinformation. It’s a personal choice! According to your definitely of satire, you can make up whatever lies you want so long as you believe there’s an underlying truth.
I’ll agree to disagree on that. If the intent is to make you believe the fake thing is real, then it isn’t satire. It doesn’t matter if you or they believe there is truth. It is deception and whatever underlying truth you hoped to convey is lost in the lie.
It depends on whether the underlying message is true. If the viewer thinks it is a lie, it’s misinformation. If they think it is true, it is satire. Is the underlying message in this post true?
It seems clear that you don’t think it is true. Others think it is, and see it as satire. The question that begs to be asked is, “Why do they think it is true?”
I happen to be in full agreement about the hypocrisy people are identifying.
However, I believe your definition of “satire” leaves so much gray area to make it a useless word. Pizza gate is satire according to your definition. Q Anon is satire. All the lies republicans spread about democrats is satire.
I’m not willing to accept that and I expect better from the content that supports my ideology.
Pray tell, what satirical truth was Pizza Gate and Q-Anon elucidating? Were there Democrats feasting on the adrenochrome of infants in a basement of a pizza restaurant? No? Then it is “deceptive,” and thus misinformation. Is President Biden a cloned actor that is trying to instate a One World Government? No? Then it is misinformation and deception.
Deception seeks to subvert or mask the truth. Satire seeks to comically demonstrate the truth. Satire can’t be untruthful, or else it ceases to be satire and becomes just a lie. This post, if truthful, can’t be a lie; thus, it is satire.
Pray tell, what satirical truth was Pizza Gate and Q-Anon elucidating? Were there Democrats feasting on the adrenochrome of infants in a basement of a pizza restaurant?
No?
In your opinion. Others have different opinions. Satire can be whatever the viewer wants it to be apparently…
If you think this is satire, then that’s fine for you. I think at best it is a crappy attempt at satire that muddles whatever point they wanted to convey. At worst it is a lie meant to appeal to the homophonic Facebook (pardon the slur) boomers looking to justify their ideology.
For me, if you want to call it satire, it better be obvious that the creator intended it to be taken as satire and not truth.
It might be bad satire. It could also be conservative disinformation. Truth can be subjective , dependent on culture and lived experiences. But we should never stop trying to discover Objective Truth for the sake of humanity. Our existence depends on it.
I think I understand. You think it is misinformation. But it would only be misinformation if the underlying message isn’t true. This might help.
It depends on whether the viewer thinks this represents the hypocrisy of trans ally neoliberals who persecute and punish unhoused people for existing near them.
It’s like this real photo from the Black Lives Matter protests:
It was criticized at the time for the hypocrisy of recuperating the protests. If the photo was faked, would it be any less true?
By your definition, there is no difference between deceptive fake news stories and satire. My Facebook wall in 2016 was filled with true news stories and satire and nothing else. You could post whatever lies you want so long as there’s some underlying truth in there.
Then when called out just say it’s satire! You can say pizza gate wasn’t meant to be taken literally. It was just satire pointing out how the elites and lawmakers are abusing our children. Q Anon and Stephen Colbert are two the greatest satirists of our time.
With the advancements of AI, we are going to start seeing more and more fake things that are indistinguishable from reality. If most of the people are convinced the fake thing is literally real, and even if that was the intention of the post, it will still be considered satire because the underlying message is true.
I’m going to assume you don’t believe neoliberal trans allies are being hypocritical about systemic oppression when they advocate for trans rights while shunning the rights of the houseless.
If that is the case, it’s understandable that you would see this post as deceptive misinformation.
But if you understand that systemic oppression affects all intersectional minority groups under capitalism, then you might interpret the post as biting satire.
Just because I don’t understand quantum entanglement doesn’t make it any less real.
Was Stephen Colbert deceptive in the Colbert Report and misinforming the public with fake news? Or was he using satire to inform the public of the hypocrisy of conservative language?
Hmm, biting satire or deceptive misinformation. It’s a personal choice! According to your definitely of satire, you can make up whatever lies you want so long as you believe there’s an underlying truth.
I’ll agree to disagree on that. If the intent is to make you believe the fake thing is real, then it isn’t satire. It doesn’t matter if you or they believe there is truth. It is deception and whatever underlying truth you hoped to convey is lost in the lie.
It depends on whether the underlying message is true. If the viewer thinks it is a lie, it’s misinformation. If they think it is true, it is satire. Is the underlying message in this post true?
It seems clear that you don’t think it is true. Others think it is, and see it as satire. The question that begs to be asked is, “Why do they think it is true?”
I happen to be in full agreement about the hypocrisy people are identifying.
However, I believe your definition of “satire” leaves so much gray area to make it a useless word. Pizza gate is satire according to your definition. Q Anon is satire. All the lies republicans spread about democrats is satire.
I’m not willing to accept that and I expect better from the content that supports my ideology.
Pray tell, what satirical truth was Pizza Gate and Q-Anon elucidating? Were there Democrats feasting on the adrenochrome of infants in a basement of a pizza restaurant? No? Then it is “deceptive,” and thus misinformation. Is President Biden a cloned actor that is trying to instate a One World Government? No? Then it is misinformation and deception.
Deception seeks to subvert or mask the truth. Satire seeks to comically demonstrate the truth. Satire can’t be untruthful, or else it ceases to be satire and becomes just a lie. This post, if truthful, can’t be a lie; thus, it is satire.
In your opinion. Others have different opinions. Satire can be whatever the viewer wants it to be apparently…
If you think this is satire, then that’s fine for you. I think at best it is a crappy attempt at satire that muddles whatever point they wanted to convey. At worst it is a lie meant to appeal to the homophonic Facebook (pardon the slur) boomers looking to justify their ideology.
For me, if you want to call it satire, it better be obvious that the creator intended it to be taken as satire and not truth.
It might be bad satire. It could also be conservative disinformation. Truth can be subjective , dependent on culture and lived experiences. But we should never stop trying to discover Objective Truth for the sake of humanity. Our existence depends on it.