Edit: There’s a lot of people in the comment section who clearly didn’t read the article so let me clarify that no, this is not about Judge Aileen Cannon. Read. The. Damn. Article.
This is one of the dumbest things about conservatives in the US … we’re going to start a civil war - for Trump.
I could agree to many political arguments about rebelling against your own government but to say you want to start a civil war to defend a completely morally bankrupt individual that has absolutely no care for you at all has got to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever had the opportunity to see and hear.
MAGAs are being swindled and don’t know it.
If you tell them they are being swindled, with proof, they won’t believe it and take it out on you instead for suggesting it.
They’d rather be ignorant than be proven wrong. This is also why phone/computer scammers keep going after the same people. The victims never want to believe they were duped until it’s too late.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan
I love that quote. We need more Sagan’s and fewer Rogans.
Humanity has been victim to that for thousands of years in the form of world religions
I believe this is from Carl Sagan’s book The Demon Haunted World. A fantastic read, and one I recommend to anyone who will listen.
Til: to bamboozle is a real verb
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark Twain“The entrenchment of a person’s belief is directly proportional to how wrong it is.”
– Me
yeah, but no, because i can believe that human rights are a good thing. For literally all of my life time. That never changes how right it was.
to FTFY that for you, this one is free of charge, you are welcome to yoink and boink it.
“a persons entrenchment in an idea/ideology, is likely proportional to the stubbornness of their position on it”
That’s a phenomenal quote
Mark Twain was a phenomenal American. Everyone should read his books and writings.
I have my complaints about America but there are great things about the country … and Mark Twain is one of them.
I have read a couple. It was many years ago. But I do remember a few gems.
They’re not being conned, they’re in on the con. Notice how there is nothing consistently rational about the messaging. The issues they’re concerned about and what they say they want done about them all change daily. But they all point in one direction.
They’ve identified themselves as the in-group, they’ve identified the out-groups, and they want to stomp all over those out-groups and take everything they’ve got. Their money, their dignity, their lives. Whatever proves that they’re on top.
Remember the second part of that LBJ quote:
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
They know the consequences and they’re willing to risk it. Calling them idiots does not prepare us to deal with the situation in which we find ourselves now.
Absolutely this. Trump doesn’t need a coherent message. He’s whipped people into a frenzy with the help of a media empire designed to do exactly that, and no matter what he says or does his voters stick with him because no matter what else he does while in office he’ll let them hurt the people he’s made them afraid of. It doesn’t matter what he wants to do, they know that if he gets elected they’ll get to do what they want to do, which is establish a state that kills anyone who makes them uncomfortable. They’re not stupid. No one involved in this is stupid. They’re evil and they need to be stopped if we hope to survive.
Sunk cost fallacy is real and MAGA is all in on their shitty investment of tearing the system down, repressive policies and generalized white & hetero supremacy
And Putin and Xi laugh all thr way to the bank. Well maybe not putin he’s a little busy
the dumbest thing I’ve ever had the opportunity to see and hear.
After fifty years on this planet I can only tell you the bar keeps getting raised, but it’s not always the bars we might wish.
Against who?
If it’s against the government, then it’s a coup d’état.
See how well that’s working out for the January 6 crowd.And that’s the thing, they don’t want a civil war with the government, they want a civil war with ‘liberals’. They can’t control government the way they want to so they instead want to eliminate the people who vote differently than they do.
So presumably they need people to shoot at, all standing in a field with bugles and drummers. Short of that what are they going to do? Knock on random doors and ask if liberals live there? Will groups of them drive up to New York and pick a neighborhood to start canvassing? Where do they marshal their troops and where do they march to? How does this work at the low level?
Ah yes, I forgot. It’s all horseshit.
How it works at the low level is they assume they know what a “liberal” looks and acts like, and they try to kill them. Civilian, combatant, doesn’t matter. We’ve already seen this, multiple times, all over the US. You assume an organized army, don’t.
While some of the big players might like to act like a regular military force, a LOT of this will just be sporadic, random violence as John GOP finally realizes he can use the War Against Liberalism as a cover to get rid of his neighbor, or his boss, or Karen in HR or whatever.
Ever wonder why they phrase it “take back our country”? It’s not a coup in their eyes.
Whom
This is what happens when you handle traitors with kid gloves.
Not really that different from Southern poor people marching to war on behalf of a relative handful of wealthy land owners.
An old one that’s gonna be dead probably before the war would end anyways lol.
I still can’t believe that all the rural redneck idiots are willing to start a Civil War for a failed corrupt New York City businessman, who represents everything they don’t stand for in the name of creating a fascist dictatorship and stripping away all of your rights so that the rich people can continue to fuck you in the ass.
Most of them think the war will turn the economic tides and somehow turn their rural towns into utopian areas where all the wealth from the cities is funneled into their shitty towns. They want the status and earning of being an engineer, doctor, or lawyer without trying or educating themselves.
What is sad is all conservatives are willing to kill us, our children, and everything we worked for for this ideal and for a corrupt, failed New York businessman that sells military secrets to our enemies.
What’s ironic is that it’s the liberal-eating-local-buy-local-equality-socialist types that are are subsidizing their ability to live in that small rural town at all.
County State Aid roads, clean water infrastructure, education, business development grants, farm grants… All of that is paid for by big city taxes, which typically (not always… Looking at you Ft. Worth…) lean liberal. In my state one rural community received tax funding at a rate of 480% compare to what they paid in, where as the city center reviebes about 60% of the taxes they pay.
Farm-to-table? Anti-trust regulations? Farm subsidies? The USDA rural development? All paid for in large part by taxes, most of which come from city centers.
And yet exactly what you said - they want liberal big cities gone. They see them as a plight upon the land.
It’s crazy.
That part seems to elude these small towns. The end of the big cities mean the end of their way of life. They would all starve to death in a few months, and have pretty much nothing to offer the entire world.
I’m not convinced he sells secrets. I’m pretty sure he gives them away because poo tin tells him it’s in their best interests.
I have Maga relatives, who have giddily spoken to me about finally getting to “blast the damn libs”. I’m one of the people they are happily speaking about shooting down. Yeeeeesh
The real thing they love about him is that “we” hate him and with their support they think they can annoy us and “get back” at us for whatever they think we did to them. And they aren’t wrong, people who hate Trump have a very hard time just ignoring the Trolls, me included.
Only rationale I can think of:
“It’s not gay if you can’t consent, and I really want to be fucked in the ass”
No there won’t.
Alternate headline: local inbreds big mad
They are definitely trying to manifest a war
we should simply manifest anti-war. If we do it hard enough, it’ll cancel out and there won’t be a war, simple as that.
Like one third of the US doesn’t even bother to vote. The banks own all our land and houses so there’s be no economic gain. There’s plenty of reason for everyone to be upset, but not really enough reason to go to war.
I agree, their numbers, organization, and ammo reserves are not to be dismissed or underestimated.
Translation: the few nutty enough to put plans to action will commit cowardly terrorist acts that make magats even more detested. Just because fascist asshats couldn’t settle for being overrepresented.
There won’t be a civil war unless\until the prospect of a civil war starts to look profitable to the .1%.
Used to agree with that, now it’s a maybe. The US elite created the seeds of MAGA and the christian right back in the days of Reagan, and they’ve fully lost control of it, Trump has at least some measure of control on the group, but I feel it’s only because he’s pretending to do what they want.
Just as with the actual US revolution, the movement was started by the 1% for their own interests. Which they gaslit and orchestrated for their own gain until they lost control of it.
For the uninitiated: they started riots to pressure lawmakers to not pass a new tax on them, not the working class, and new laws preventing them from defrauding London based banks with what amounts to wire fraud by regular mail by creating shell companies in different colonies, getting loans for exploration and land use, and then closing the “company” and repeating.in a different colony.
I have no doubt gaggles of these goons will start some shit here and there, but a Civil War would mean the US military has either fractured or someone raised a domestic army capable of fighting the US military, which is so crazy I don’t even know why I mentioned it.
You have to remember the ‘state-of-the-art’ of war in 1861 was that men, munitions, and information moved at the maximum speed of a train, but more likely horse. And the distance between the most technologically advanced weapons available and a farmer’s rifle was within an order of magnitude of technological progress. Today the distance between civilian and military communications, field intelligence, and weaponry might as well be to another star system. And before anyone references past insurgent success against modern US military- they didn’t get their weapons at WalMart- they’re supplied by other national militaries. A Civil War starting with a civilian uprisings just isn’t a military possibility.
And I really don’t see any scenario by which the US military starts fighting itself. I’d be curious what scenarios others think might lead to that but I just don’t see anything on the table that could make a US military commander accept an order to attack other US military assets. I think something like a military coup would be far more likely than a civil war at this point.
Exactly. Anyone who starts a Civil War in the US, unless it’s the US military itself, is going to lose. This rhetoric just puts targets on the backs of these Nazis, and that’s a good thing. None of the absolute shit they spew will fair well for them and society has been and will continue to (rightly) ostracize them.
I look forward to the day the Guinness book of world record for the largest human dung pile is awarded to the massive mile high pile of shit that will undoubtedly accumulate over Donald Trump’s grave and his entire family is nothing but a distant memory of a pathetic attempt at an American oligarchy.
Fuck Trump, fuck his family, fuck his supporters, fuck anyone who ever benefited even one iota from his policies. I’d personally forego the Pearly Gates of Heaven and choose Hell if it meant I got to watch him burn for eternity. That is preferable, that is Heaven to me.
Agreed but Telegraph was definitely a thing during the civil war, so information could move at lightning speed.
True- I’ve usually made the point about technological distance between civilian and military when people bring up ‘Revolution’ so I had to kind of adapt it for the US Civil war to include trains and forgot about telegraphs.
Kind of crazy to think the Revolution and Civil War were about as far apart as the Civil War and WWII, but then think about the difference between the advancements in military technology between each.
A modern civil war will not be fought on battle fields. That shit was pointless and stupid in the first civil war (which is a large reason why the South lost, they wanted glorious battles, and the north just burned cities)
No, a modern civil war will look like the mess in Syria or Haiti. It will be disorganized, chaotic, and there will be far too much pointless bloodshed, with no battle lines. Just a bunch of assholes killing people who they disagree with.
Fascinated to learn more about that, if you have any good resources. That’s not the typical framing we get in our US high school level interpretation of events.
I would highly recommend “Crucible of War” by Fred Anderson. It’s a bit dry at first, but picks up.
Very briefly, it’s about the lead up to the seven years war(aka French-Indian war), the war itself, the post-war and lead up to the revolution. The author states that he feels you can’t look at the revolution as its own thing without all of the pieces that led to it.
Spoiler alert
Wouldn’t be the first time.
Potentially the first time: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyal_Nine
Although Wikipedia is wrong. They didn’t get organic crowds of people. They hired gangs to artificially riot and create the illusion of angry commoners. Source: Crucible of War, Fred Anderson.
It wasn’t until New York (sons of liberty) also tried fake riots that actual commoners got involved, mostly about rich and wealthy merchants claiming huge tracts of land.
Russia is in that .1%
How do they know when they won, who do they fight? Is it over when the rich destroy all small businesses and own everything and we have a dictatorship? Do they just start attacking their fellow working class…? Do they shoot their kids and family members and make it so they have no social security or ability to retire or ever stop working? Surely they have to realize at some point they would fighting themselves.
It must be Friday, because MAGA is threatening civil war but they’re sitting down. Do it or shut the fuck up, cowards.
They are all pussies. PBR drinking, fox “news” watching red faced fat asses. I hope they do attempt a “civil” war. The world will be a better place without them and they’ll be curb stomped in about .3 seconds.
I dunno man. I agree and I don’t . There’s a million things that SHOULD have all Americans fucking slaughtering there entire corrupt leadership on the fucking daily… but no one rises up… the closest we got was BLM and that shit got shut down so hard and all non black america abandoned them… MAGA aren’t the only cowards
Now hold on…
PBR and a shot of two of shitty whiskey is sometimes very appropriate. Don’t put is in that bucket.
They might be pussies, and are human trash cans, but a quadriplegic can press a trigger and kill someone.
I have been deployed and have seen what untrained assholes can do with guns. You can die just as easily from Billy Bob’s bullet as you can a sniper with years of actual training. Don’t discount these people to go to voting places during the election and cause havoc.
They are brainwashed into thinking that they are not only right, but all doubt has been removed as to how right they are.
Of course they’re sitting down. Have you seen most of them?
Nah see the magas want us to civil war first so we’ll go to jail. See, civil war is a crime in this country taps forehead
joke’s on them if they think a liberal will ever do anything about anything
Boy it sure says an awful lot about Maga that they are going to go to war for a swollen pustule like Humpty Trumpty. If it’s a movement, wouldn’t it transcend a single individual? What a weak group of simpletons.
“I’m going to jail for an NFT salesman.”
—Unite the Right organizer and general alt right fuckbucket Baked Alaska upon being sentenced for his participation in the 01/06 riots
They’re all idiots, but this guy was a special kind of dumb. What is he up to these days? I know Baked Alaska was sentenced for only 60 days, so it’s not like he sacrificed much for the carnival barker. I bet he’s still in the tank for him.
The Trumpist insurrection ends one of only two ways for the Trumpists.
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They end up in prison.
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They end up dead.
See January 6, 2021.
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“There will be a civil war!” - Somebody definitely not prepared to fight in any kind of war.
But they have a couple of guns and a pickup truck and a vest with pockets and hunting boots and camo pants?? Some even have night vision scopes!!! The US military won’t stand a chance.
They’re prepared to fight, they just haven’t thought it through. Which is why they’re prepared to fight. Doesn’t stop them from the terror attacks they’ll commit before they’re killed or locked up.
Well, they seem more prepared for the younger generation to fight, as they do in most wars.
The issue for them is that there’s very much an age difference in the whole MAGA/sanity thing and they’re on the wrong side of it.
The thing I worry about is how much more angry some Americans will become as AI starts to really eat up the jobs. The radicalized far right wing has already painted Big Tech as somehow liberal/leftist (lol) because they are being “censored” on platforms like pre-Xitter Twitter or Facebook.
Imagine how they’ll react when it becomes obvious that “Big Tech” has come/is coming for their jobs. I fear people that were unradicalized before may suddenly be thrown into despair with lots of time on their hands, and the usual suspects giving them easy “answers” as to the cause. You just know that DEI, “woke”, and Biden’s hard drive, oops, I mean, “laptop” will be the kinds of things blamed for it.
AI is 95% hype, so it won’t happen especially not for the kind of jobs they like and are capable of. But then again just instilling the fear in them is probably enough.
If or when some crazy yahoos “declare” a civil war. All those toy soldiers aka weekend warriors. You know the type who own 300 guns lives in a bomb shelter and has been praying for the world to end since 1979. Those folks with have to contend with not you or me per say. The will contend with the United States Military. The tuffest military and the most trained, and frankly who has the best toys in the world for killing people. Our military is well versed in urban and rural fighting techniques. Did i mention the also own a bunch of drones. Yeah im not to worried
If they organize, they won’t even make it to the military, they will be quickly stopped by our militarized police force. I fear that this is going to end up with crazy people commiting random acts of terrorism.
Some of those that work forces…
Are the same that golf courses?
Crazy people are already committing random acts of terrorism, remember when some Trumper took out an electrical substation about a year ago and left a couple dozen thousand people without heat or power in the dead of winter? All that to shut down a drag show (supposedly).
That’s honestly been their gameplan for years. Anders Breivik might’ve been the first to put it to widespread paper in his manifesto, but the whole idea of terror cells was something that right-wing militias have been wargaming since the 80s. Even when you get a bunch of terror incidents grouped REAL tight together (like the Pride parade situations we’ve had lately, which all seem to share MOs), they get written off as “just a bunch of dudes” or “lone wolves” and never get reported on as “well Jim and Tim and John and Tom are assumed to be part of a larger terror network” because saying “hey this seems likely to be a problem and we should be on the lookout” doesn’t sell papers the same way as “CRAZED LONE WOLF” does.
This group has been masturbating to Red Dawn, shouting Wolerines! as thry orgasm, for 40 years now.
I don’t know. “Terror cells on the rise. Is your son joining one? Find out at 10!”
stopped by our militarized police force
So, um, about that…
random acts of terrorism
Dude they’ve been doing this for so long; mass killings stopped being news.
I think it’s important to remember how many civilians we killed in Iraq trying to get the bad ones. Yes, the US military would put down an insurrection… I don’t know know how fast it would be, and I don’t know that they wouldn’t kill my kids when they drone strike the guy down the street…
In their pipe dreams (and their Chatapp groups or whatever), the US military will fight on their side. Oh boy are they in for a surprise.
I’m hoping that the A24 movie Civil War is impactful on any future discussion of American Civil War 2.
Is it good?
I’m hoping. It’s not out until April 12 in US and UK:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_War_(film)
Reviews for it are pretty good! I like most A24 distributed movies so I’m hopeful. Rated pretty high on all the aggregators all critics and no audience: 7.2/10 · IMDb, 93% · Rotten Tomatoes, 79% · Metacritic
I wouldn’t count on the military being on a particular side, but I should point out that their record against illiterate dipshits who don’t understand wearing shoes is 0-2.
Then again, their record on the rare instance they fight against fascists is 3-0, undefeated. And those wins were against the best the fasch had to offer, delivered pretty spectacularly.
gun control is too politicized of a term to be used specifically. It can range from “taking away all guns ever, completely, forever” to “hey maybe don’t give violent offenders guns probably” Which is a uh variety of opinions that one can have.
Though in terms of stats, dems, queer people, minorities, etc… Are all arming themselves at increasing rates, as the founding fathers intended.
Though in terms of stats, dems, queer people, minorities, etc… Are all arming themselves at increasing rates, as the founding fathers intended
Man. I’ve got some bad news about the founding fathers to tell you…
i’ve got even worse news for you. We’re retconning the founding fathers and there is nothing you can do about it :)
eat shit george washington!
Oh yes please I hope you’re right because I have been getting dinged and banned for years for telling them to do exactly that
Cannon says “no” to the defense for the first time this trial and they turn on her immediately
what a bunch of traitorous snowflakes
Cannon says “no” to the defense for the first time and they turn on her immediately.
Wanna know how I know you didn’t read the article?
Or even the headline. It clearly says Georgia.
Lol yeah, but that I can be a little more forgiving about. It can be hard to keep track of which case is being handled in which area. But had they read the article, they’d see the judge mentioned by name in the first sentence and it’s not Aileen Cannon.
Also, if those people could read they’d realize the only reason she said no right now, is she wants to allow that argument to be used as a defense during the trial, where she can then acquit him herself and give Jack Smith no chance to appeal. She only said that the argument couldn’t be used to dismiss the charges before the trial starts. If she did say yes to Trump’s request right now, Smith could appeal and a higher court would slap her down in a second for this blatantly incorrect interpretation of the law, and cut off Cannon’s plan to acquit Trump of all charges during the trial. She is bending over backwards to not rule on anything before the trial, so nothing can be appealed beforehand, and then get to the trial stage when her dumb shit will be effectively unappealable. Everything in her recent order is still to Trump’s benefit.
Neither you nor the person you’re replying to read the article. If you did you’d know this isn’t about Judge Aileen Cannon.
I know Judge cannon is not in the article, and I did read it. I assumed the person I was replying too was bringing up judge Cannon for contrast with this judge, because unlike this judge or pretty much any other judge Trump has been before (who they and their family members have been getting constant death threats and harrasment, often from Trump himself) they’ve been lavishing praise on her. Kind of ironic they turned on her as well just yesterday after her order when she’s still doing her best to put the fix in for Trump. Trump even had to put out a tweet to remind people that judge cannon is great.
Cmon man at least make sure it’s the right case if you’re not going to read the article
One random guy on Twitter “there will be a civil war!”
Raw Story: “THE REPUBLICANS ARE THREATENING CIVIL WAR!”
I guess “random Twitter account spouts bullshit” isn’t as compelling a headline.
Do they actually think the military will join them?
Even if they did, how long do they think planning a war against the united states would take?
Do they remember how it went last time they pulled this?
Ending reconstruction was a Fucking mistake.
Are we going to see blacked out USA flags with an orange stripe?
