• Bizarroland
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      You could have a divorce before Jesus died for your sins too. It’s just you’re no longer going to go to hell for it.

      But in one of the books I want to say Paul maybe Ephesians talks about this specific issue and he says that by that measure shouldn’t we sin all the more so that Grace can abound all the more, and of course the answer is no.

      • VM_Abrantes
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        Ah yes, the Apostle Paul would be such an authority on the matter, a former Pharasee who never met Jesus or his handpicked Apostles who just happened to have a “vision” of Christ pretty much confirming “No, you guys, what I actually meant was this.” And managed to hijack the religion to serve the needs of the rich.

        • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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          You think Jesus meant we should go and sin as much as we like because he paid for it? Does that work for murder or theft?

          Paul also went to Jerusalem to visit Peter and James to make sure he was teaching the right thing. Probably there he received what he would later pass on, such as the early creed in 1 cor 11:23.

          • 尺ㄖ匚Ҝㄚ尺丨ҜㄖҜㄖ
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            Yeah, sure… maybe. But it’s all nonsense and has nothing to do with reality. In the actual world we live in laws apply, as well as a good possibility of getting your ass beat for stealing someone’s stuff

            • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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              I don’t seal because it is immoral, not because I’ll get caught. If we only go by the laws of the country, there’d be no way to say a law is immoral. Or hate speech would be fine as it’s covered under the first amendment. I hold to morality not just the law

      • Lemdee
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        and of course the answer is no.

        Pfffft, says you.

          • TheDeadGuy
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            The carrot and the stick. Make your carrot too juicy (which is how you keep your followers happy and attached to you) and you need to do more mental gymnastics to keep them in line

        • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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          The law is a curb mirror and guide. It curbs our evil destruction tendencies and shows us our falts, then guides us to the best way to live.

          I think you might be getting moral and ceremonial laws mixed up. Stealing, murder, lying etc are mortal laws that Jesus doesn’t overthrow. He says he fulfills them, but not one for will pass away of them. Ceremonial and civil laws on the other hand are for the governing of Israel at a certain period in time. The sacrifices, cities of refuge, dietary laws, priestly organisation etc are not moral codes, but rules for how Israel the nation was to be run.

          So when Paul says to not keep sinning, he’s saying it’s not now okay to kill someone, not that you shouldn’t poop in your home.

          • @Aiastarei@lemmy.world
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            But should you stop killing gay people because they’re an abomination in the eye of god, or would that be a sin 🤔

          • @outdated_belated@lemmy.sdf.org
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            So “sins” can be either “mortal” or “ceremonial,” and the latter are, post Jesus’s death, ok? How did Jesus’ death affect the mortal sins, if at all?

            • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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              Mortal sins have a different connotation in catholicism, so I’ll keep calling them moral sins instead, aka things that she immoral. Moral sins are things that hurt us and others. Jesus died to take the punishment for our sin on himself instead of us. But since moral sin still hurts us and others, we still shouldn’t do it. But when we do, we have forgiveness in Christ so that we don’t despair about our relationship with God.

              Yes the ceremonial laws no longer apply, since we are not in old Israel. Even before Jesus’ time, the ceremonial laws concerning the Tabernacle didn’t apply. After Jesus, the rest were repealed.

  • @bptkz@beehaw.org
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    I would love to see the Bible’s analysis concluding that going to the bathroom is a sin.

    • TomTheGeek
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      Deuteronomy 23:12-14

      12 Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself.
      13 As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement.
      14 For the LORD your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you.
      
      

      Only thing that’s relevant, and it only a sin if you don’t cover it after.

      • @AppaYipYip@lemmy.world
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        Half of the old testament just feels like health codes. This is make sure to not poop where you live. Other stuff is don’t eat foods that will make you sick.

        • @whileloop@lemmy.world
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          Yep. There’s also a lot of rules about farming. If you accidentally drop some of the harvest while you’re farming, you have to leave it there so that the poor can take it (there’s also a command to care for the poor directly). Also, you have to skip farming altogether once every seven years to let the land rest, which seems like a basic form of crop rotation.

          • @Holzkohlen@feddit.de
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            Why didn’t they just post their guides on youtube then? Why do they had to package it with a bunch of make believe nonsense?

        • Bizarroland
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          Yeah like cheeseburgers.

          Cheese? Perfectly fine

          Burgers? Perfectly fine

          Cheese plus burger? Straight to hell.

          Thou shalt not boil a calf in its mother’s milk.

          And if you put bacon on top of it, cook it yourself on a Friday night while wearing cotton underwear and polyester shorts, you can easily commit four sins before dinner

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          It goes even deeper if you get into Judaism and why they have two entirely separate kitchens. Ancient people dying of trichinosis in the desert heat but not understanding how disease functions do weird things to try to figure out how to safely survive, like banning certain foods entirely such as shellfish.

          Diarrhea is still one of the top killers of children worldwide, which is one of the main side effects of food-borne illnesses like trichinosis.

        • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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          The old testament has civil laws too not just moral laws. The civil laws are for the good government of the historical national of Israel, not transcendent moral laws

      • Victron
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        God doesn’t like shit on the floor. Go figure.

      • TragicNotCute
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        God is gonna roll up to your camp, see that your shit stinks and be like “nah” and bounce.

      • @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
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        Does flushing it down the toilet qualify? It seems to me that it qualifies. When flushed, excrement is moved to a location (a sewage line or septic tank) that is outside the “camp” (your home), already dug, and already covered, thereby preventing the “camp” from becoming “indecent” (unsanitary). That’s the whole reason why sewage systems were invented: it’s more convenient and can handle far more excrement than simply burying it in a hole in the backyard.

      • Uvine_Umarylis
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        Huh, doesn’t that mean that toilets which flush are valid then? It may not be covering it, but it’s the same logical conclusion.

    • @slicktor@lemmy.ca
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      It’s from Mark 7:18-20

      18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?”[a] (Thus he declared all foods clean.) 20 And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him.

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    I was hoping for a sine rule post. sin(a)/A = sin(b)/B = sin©/C