• Fester@lemm.eeEnglish
    127·
    6 months ago

    Also

    Mark 10:17-25

    The Rich Man

    As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; You shall not defraud; Honor your father and mother.’ ” He said to him, “Teacher, I have kept all these since my youth.” Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, “You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions. Then Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!” And the disciples were perplexed at these words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

    That was Palm Sunday lol. Fuckin murdered the guy later that week.

    • melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee
      33·
      6 months ago

      Nothing Christians hate more than people who are doing the exact same shit their supposed prophet did.

      Almost like they’re worshipping the cross rather than anyone who died on one.

    • undergroundoverground@lemmy.world
      14·
      6 months ago

      100% and they try to change the word “mamon” to “money” in “the love of money mamon is the root of all evil.”

      Which they further interpret as “well, i don’t love money. I just love the things it gets. Therefore, its all good.”

      I mean, if Jesus meant money, he would have used the Hebrew word for money and wouldn’t have switched to an aramaic word that means “wealth, over and above what you need to exist.”

      However, you can’t reconcile its actual meaning with American style supply-side Jesus.

      Another interesting thing is how the bible tries to blame the Rabbis for Jesus death, doing it via the Romans. If the Rabbis wanted Jesus dead, they would have killed him and they would have done so by stoning him to death.

      The Romans almost exclusively used crucifixion only on pirates, slaves or insurrectionists. Last I checked, there were no reports of Jesus being a slave or a pirate.

      Palm Sunday was seen as the start of a movement and the Romans conspired to kill him for it and nip it in the bud. The rest is spin. Presuming Jesus was real in the first place, of course.

        • AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world
          6·
          6 months ago

          This. The Pharisees were the 1% of their time and place. They had it all. Wealth, power, political clout. And only they were permitted to enter the Holy of Holies and lay eyes upon the Word of God. They prayed in public, gave public alms, claimed to be the most pious and righteous of all and preached a message about how they were the chosen ones and everyone else should serve them. Then, along comes this barefoot guy from across the Galilee who is believed to be born of a virgin, claiming to be the Son of God. They’re all waiting for him to place crowns upon their heads and cement their position as God’s Chosen. Then he goes and does the exact opposite. He preaches a message counter to their narrative, calls them out for their false piety, tells them God is pissed at them for their showy displays, and the masses are just eating it up. They couldn’t let that stand!

          Could you imagine someone, anyone, doing that today? In the US, many politicians and celebrities claim to love and serve God. They make huge displays of their holiness, and pray in public, and give to the poor in full display, and spin this narrative of being more virtuous than everyone else. Then someone comes along with a counter message. That man/woman/person would be dead within a week!

    • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
      5·
      6 months ago

      What we need to do here is find a way to liquify the camel’s body and increase the diameter of the eye of the needle. Then it’s really just a matter of patience.

      • Fester@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        Perhaps we can simply process the camel and spin it into string?

        Once that’s over with we can use the same method to mass-produce Camel McNuggets.

      • salvaria
        22·
        6 months ago

        “Good Omens” on Amazon Prime - originally a book by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman!

        • jballs@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          6·
          6 months ago

          Except now the 2nd and 3rd seasons have moved past the book and are supposed to be based on ideas that Terry Pratchett had but never wrote into novels.

      • Donjuanme@lemmy.world
        11·
        6 months ago

        That would be from good omens season 2 (positive its good omens 70% sure it’s season 2 edit, it was season 1.), it’s produced and released by Amazon, based on works by Patchett and Gaiman (they had all 3 seasons storyboarded before patchett passed, and everything is produced with Gaimans final approval iirc) they are incredibly different stories, and both entirely consuming to watch.

        • cynar@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          6 months ago

          I know they mapped out 2 seasons. Didn’t Gaiman have to come up with season 2 to properly wed season 3 to the end of season 1?

          I’m definitely looking forward to season 3 either way.

        • shneancy@lemmy.world
          3·
          6 months ago

          definitely season 1, episode uh, like 4, maybe 5, the one with all the Crowley & Aziraphaels backstory

          • Donjuanme@lemmy.world
            2·
            6 months ago

            I hate when I’m on the wrong side of confidence, even if I was only 70% sure XD

            Thanks for the correction!

  • bleistift2@feddit.deEnglish
    48·
    6 months ago

    He also said he’s the son of God. If you say that today in the right place, you’ll still die for it.

  • Ignotum@lemmy.world
    37·
    6 months ago

    “I’m God, your great great […] great grandmother did something i didn’t like so i hate you and plan to torture you for all eternity. Please execute me slowly and painfully so that i can forgive you!”

      • Ignotum@lemmy.world
        1·
        6 months ago

        Adam was already mortal

        Genesis 3:22

        (22) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: (23) Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

        Had they eaten the fruit of the second tree, then they would live forever, they were already mortal.

        Genesis 2:15

        But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

        A bit weird to get mad at someone for doing something bad/evil, when they literally didn’t know what good and evil was and thus wouldn’t know that disobeying god was a bad thing.
        And also strange that god lied here, seeing as they ate the fruit and didn’t die (yeah yeah “spiritual death”, why wouldn’t god just say that if that’s what he meant)

  • Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world
    20·
    6 months ago

    And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house a house of merchandise.

    — John 2:15–16

    And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

    — Matthew 21:12–13

    "Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.

    — James 5:1-6

          • TIMMAY@lemmy.world
            3·
            6 months ago

            next season? I thought it was a one-off series. Did they not complete the book in s1?

            • roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              11·
              6 months ago

              Season 2 is out and there is a third season on the way. They’re beyond the book, obviously, but Gaiman co-wrote it.

              • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
                11·
                6 months ago

                They’re beyond the book, obviously, but Gaiman co-wrote it.

                Yeah, and it shows. The distinct lack of Pratchett is evident even when they where still covering the material in the book.

                • shneancy@lemmy.world
                  9·
                  6 months ago

                  it feels like fanfiction, but honestly i don’t mind it at all. When you have the budget and the audience to make your fanfic into TV series then why not?

              • r_se_random@sh.itjust.works
                1·
                6 months ago

                Just to add-on, Gaiman has said that he and Pratchett had discussed some of the ideas that he’s working with. Take what you will from that.

        • Nariom@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          6 months ago

          First season was decent. After that they made up a new story so it’s original content.

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
            2·
            6 months ago

            Its not strictly a new story. They based it on notes that Gaiman and Terry Pratchet had compiled for an unreleased sequel. Also, Gaiman has been the lead creative designer on the TV series, so at the absolute worst you could claim its half an original story.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      3·
      6 months ago

      I don’t know if you get to call yourself the King of Kings and then complain about the Romans coming after you for being too meek.

      Its a cute riff, but crucifixion tended to be reserved for high profile rebellions (the Spartacus Revolt, the Maccabees seizing Judea, your suspected Carthaginian spies and interlopers) not vague niceties.

  • twelve20two @slrpnk.net
    4·
    6 months ago

    I mean, he and his closest followers/the apostles really thought the world would be ending sometime in the next hundred years and that his resurrection was step one of the Jewish apocalypse (which would eventually include a physical kingdom of God on earth)

    The messages of kindness, love, and redistribution of wealth are great, but they’ve kinda been muddied since I found out it was started as a doomsday cult.

    That being said: be kind, love one another, and distribute your wealth anyway

      • diverging@lemmy.ml
        2·
        6 months ago

        where merchants were taking advantage of poor widows etc

        Where are you getting that from? The bible says nothing of the sort. It says “And He entered the temple area and began to drive out those who were selling and buying on the temple grounds” Both selling and buying. Jesus cast out the poor old widows who just wanted to worship the way God told them to. The vendors were selling offerings that people could burn as part of their worship and animals to be sacrificed. They were providing goods that were necessary for worship at the temple. It is not at all clear what Jesus was complaining about.

        If we take it literally, I see two options:

        1. He did not like that there were burnt offerings and animal sacrifices, but Jesus alludes to the temple being a house of prayer, which is a reference to Isaiah 56:7 “their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all people.” The burnt offerings and animal sacrifices were intended by God.
        2. He just didn’t like commerce within the temple. He complains about the temple being turned into a den of thieves, not about there being thieves at all. Which means as long as the den of thieves was outside the temple Jesus would have been fine with it.

        As far as I see, neither of these justify assault.

          • diverging@lemmy.ml
            0·
            6 months ago

            who devour widows’ houses

            OK, I’ll give you that. It’s a full chapter after he drove out the buyers and sellers, with only irrelevant preaching in between, but it’s in there.

            Poor exegesis incoming

            Of course it is poor exegesis, I started with “If we take it literally”.

            Orthodox Study Bible

            What? Because orthodox is the one true version of Christianity. You say it yourself it is an interpretation, and no interpretation is more authoritative than any other.

            “money changing” was an exploitative racket

            You could make the argument that any business is exploitative, inside the temple and outside the temple, but he just kicked them out of the temple, he didn’t outright ban commerce. This is leaning toward option 2. Now, how does that justify assault?