In many professional circles, especially blue collar unions or close knit groups - there is wide transparency and a mutual understanding regarding pay. No one wants to be the fucker making twice as much money than the guys they just worked with who are breaking their backs in the sun while you run excel spreadsheets. It’s simply a different type of job
I know it can be hard to understand if you’ve only worked “computer jobs”, but not everything is a hyper corporate job that takes place in a tower or whatever.
Instead of being indignant, you should ask about my experience. I’ve done blue collar work, and so has everyone I know. Not a single person would be willing to take a promotion if it didn’t also mean a raise.
Edit: Where I grew up, we called people who took promotions without wage adjustments “suckers”.
I’ve worked as a field hand on multiple farms, picked rock, pulled ragweed, moved grain bins, fixed tractors, etc. I grew up in a rural area. Everyone I know has done work similar to this.
And, let me get this straight, your whole big “workers rights” point here is that the guys ‘managing’ from inside the air conditioned building should make a lot more money than the laborers in the field.
You need to stop assuming things about me, my dude. Everyone should be paid a living wage. Beyond that, getting a promotion should mean a wage adjustment for a change in work scope and increased work demand. Having done both mental and physical labor, they are both exhausting in their own ways. Now if you want to debate “fair wage increase” as I mentioned earlier in the thread, that’s one of the points of having a union.
…. Ok, so this whole time you didn’t actually pay attention to my initial comment, you just made up a guy and then got mad at him?
Again, my initial comment: “just getting a promotion doesn’t necessarily mean a pay increase! Sometimes a promotion can lead to work that’s essentially easier and in this case managers and laborers should be paid the same, or maybe managers less sometimes!”
You: what the fuck. What the absolute fuck. Don’t you get workers rights at all?? Managers should always make more!!!
Just a really… bizarre knee jerk reaction from you. I think you have good intentions, but you were so eager to “call someone out” that you essentially went against your own morals
How are you ever going to get fairly compensated compared to a person working in an air conditioned work if you don’t think you should fight for fair compensation for your work?
A promotion from a field tech to an office job is a promotion, a promotion from field tech to a supervisory, more technical, field managerial role is also a promotion and should come with fair compensation.
It’s like your arguing against yourself to create this weird dichotomy. What you are trying to this person you’re talking to is gross btw. You are trying to undermine their credibility because their argument is better than yours, goose.
It’s a good thing I have literally never once in my entire life said workers shouldn’t right for fair compensation. It’s a very bizarre and almost funny point that you keep consistently just pulling out of thin air and then getting mad at lmfao.
I for one, can’t believe you think every boss should get 3 foot jobs a month from each of their employees. (That’s just a joke, I know you don’t think that, I’m just making up a detail to get mad at that no one actually said)
Did you not actually read anything I wrote.
In many professional circles, especially blue collar unions or close knit groups - there is wide transparency and a mutual understanding regarding pay. No one wants to be the fucker making twice as much money than the guys they just worked with who are breaking their backs in the sun while you run excel spreadsheets. It’s simply a different type of job
I know it can be hard to understand if you’ve only worked “computer jobs”, but not everything is a hyper corporate job that takes place in a tower or whatever.
Instead of being indignant, you should ask about my experience. I’ve done blue collar work, and so has everyone I know. Not a single person would be willing to take a promotion if it didn’t also mean a raise.
Edit: Where I grew up, we called people who took promotions without wage adjustments “suckers”.
I don’t think you have
That fine if you don’t believe me, but I know my lived experience.
What are your blue collar jobs my man. Don’t be shy
I’ve worked as a field hand on multiple farms, picked rock, pulled ragweed, moved grain bins, fixed tractors, etc. I grew up in a rural area. Everyone I know has done work similar to this.
And, let me get this straight, your whole big “workers rights” point here is that the guys ‘managing’ from inside the air conditioned building should make a lot more money than the laborers in the field.
Yeah… that’s real… progressive of you man…
You need to stop assuming things about me, my dude. Everyone should be paid a living wage. Beyond that, getting a promotion should mean a wage adjustment for a change in work scope and increased work demand. Having done both mental and physical labor, they are both exhausting in their own ways. Now if you want to debate “fair wage increase” as I mentioned earlier in the thread, that’s one of the points of having a union.
…. Ok, so this whole time you didn’t actually pay attention to my initial comment, you just made up a guy and then got mad at him?
Again, my initial comment: “just getting a promotion doesn’t necessarily mean a pay increase! Sometimes a promotion can lead to work that’s essentially easier and in this case managers and laborers should be paid the same, or maybe managers less sometimes!”
You: what the fuck. What the absolute fuck. Don’t you get workers rights at all?? Managers should always make more!!!
Just a really… bizarre knee jerk reaction from you. I think you have good intentions, but you were so eager to “call someone out” that you essentially went against your own morals
How are you ever going to get fairly compensated compared to a person working in an air conditioned work if you don’t think you should fight for fair compensation for your work?
A promotion from a field tech to an office job is a promotion, a promotion from field tech to a supervisory, more technical, field managerial role is also a promotion and should come with fair compensation.
It’s like your arguing against yourself to create this weird dichotomy. What you are trying to this person you’re talking to is gross btw. You are trying to undermine their credibility because their argument is better than yours, goose.
It’s a good thing I have literally never once in my entire life said workers shouldn’t right for fair compensation. It’s a very bizarre and almost funny point that you keep consistently just pulling out of thin air and then getting mad at lmfao.
I for one, can’t believe you think every boss should get 3 foot jobs a month from each of their employees. (That’s just a joke, I know you don’t think that, I’m just making up a detail to get mad at that no one actually said)