Well, yeah, but it’s not supposed to happen to them. They’re the ones who are supposed to be in charge, not just morally and ethically, but also economically. If they can get called out for their bullshit it’s a warning sign to them. Their massive privileges are being eroded and it scares the shit out of them.
How much have you read about the history of religion?
If they’re not doing it to others, they’re doing it to themselves. The last time there wasn’t a Christian church leader ranting about an evil person was around year 0.
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Anyone up for some D&D?
For anyone who isn’t aware of the Satanic Panic, this was a pretty fun time to be a D&D player:
https://gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-satanic-panic-in-the-1980s-1679476373
https://gizmodo.com/how-we-won-the-war-on-dungeons-dragons-1550936588
I believe the culture war junk is part of distract and divide tactics. ‘hey parents don’t worry about all the bloodshed from neoliberal policies, your kids are summoning demons!’
That’s why I wear my “Let’s summon demons!” shirt at every opportunity. Pearl clutching intensifies!
You can’t just mention D&D and Satanic Panic without sharing the Chick Tract.
:D I absolutely should have. I think I had at least a half dozen of these specific ones in physical form at one point back in the day.
Edit: Last time this came up I learned of this. 😀 https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNYxu1LqkyT3Ihj7l2n2WSH0KlqOJaEio
I love that there’s a reference to the Tom Hanks classic Mazes and Monsters in there.
Funny thing about the eighties. I was absolutely forbidden from playing dungeons and dragons but was totally allowed to play wizardry, Ultima, and bards tale.
Explain that parental logic.
I do feel I missed out. Never did get to play the real deal.
I think tabletop gaming and D&D are having a renaissance in recent years - I bet you could find folks to play with easier than you think.
I haven’t played in decades myself, but my son does, and so does a good friend of mine (who is even older than me) and his kids, and seemingly half the people I know.
I would theoretically love to play, but I have other life circumstances that have required me to cut gaming time of any kind to 0 for awhile.
You should give it a shot if you can!
I love that there’s a reference to the Tom Hanks classic Mazes and Monsters in there.
That’s been on my rewatch list for awhile. I don’t think I’ve seen it since it was new. One of these days… :)
Man, my friend got all his D&D stuff taken away in 1984, he bought new stuff and left it at my house, which was fine by me as he said I could use it even if he wasn’t around.
Only if we can listen to a Judas Priest record backwards.
The campaigns to ban video games by Christian groups is one of the biggest examples of cancel culture in modern times.
See also: man gets shot, how could he do this.meme
Wait until they go broke buying trump bibles only to bemoan the lack of social welfare and health programs they continually try to kill.
If there’s anything Suzerain taught me over the last few days it’s that sometimes you have to pull an Urdnot Wrex and drag the ignorant forward before their own short sighted self interest gets everyone killed.
Yes I really enjoyed making two video game references lol
Literally every accusation from a right winger is a confession
No, it’s “shunning” when they do it. It’s “cancel culture” when other people do it.
Proper manipulation of language is key to fighting a culture war.
“Christians”
If I call myself a Scotsman, despite not meeting the definition of a Scotsman (never been to Scotland, have no Scottish heritage) then it would be fair to call me not a “True Scotsman.”
If the definition of “Christian” is “someone who follows the teachings of Jesus” then someone who spreads hate does not meet that definition.
If the definition of “Christian” is “anyone who calls themselves a Christian” then the definition is so broad it is useless as a descriptor. It includes someone who is loving and caring, and someone who abuses and murders anyone they disagree with. It tells you nothing about the individual or how they behave.
If the definition of “Christian” is “someone who follows the teachings of Jesus”
If that’s your definition then there are no Christians.
Dolly Parton
I don’t think Dolly Parton hates her family.
If that’s your definition then there are no Christians.
Ok, so you’re going with the word is useless as a descriptor.
No, I’m saying that christians are people who claim to be christian.
No, I’m saying that christians are people who claim to be christian.
As I said, useless as a descriptor. By that definition the word “Christian” includes someone who donates time to charities, as well as someone who spreads hate about immigrants, wants them sent back to their own countries, and wants to bomb those countries.
The word “Christian” could be applied to a person that wants to take away a woman’s right to medical care, and to a person that is pro-choice.
Hell, the word “Christian” could apply to someone who has never set foot inside a church, has never seen a Bible, and has no idea what’s even in it, as long as they “claim they are a Christian.”
By that definition if I tell you someone is a Christian it doesn’t tell you if that person loves Trans people or hates them. As I said, a useless descriptor.
Incredibly convenient thing for “polite Christians” (read: enablers) to say while the overwhelmingly powerful structure borne of their freely given money, time, and prejudices ruins the country.
Replace the word “Christian” with “American” and your statement is just as valid.
Why is this getting upvoted? OP is using irony. The No True Scotsman fallacy requires refuting a counterexample as well as “The modification is signalled by the use of non-substantive rhetoric such as “true”, “pure”, “genuine”, “authentic”, “real”, etc.” Check out the “Occurrence” section.
Why is this getting upvoted?
Because there are people who really don’t like how right wing conservative Christians behave, but also for some reason hate when other Christians agree that the behaviour is unacceptable and call them out on it.
You’re not calling out shit. You’re refusing any responsibility by claiming they’re not even really Christian. They are, and until you admit that, nobody gives a fuck about your claims to the contrary. Christians can be shit, that doesn’t make them not Christian you absolute dingus. If you’d actually read the Bible you’d know that slavery and homophobia and sexism are as fundamentally Christian as any love thy neighbor shit
Republicans: Act in hateful ways
Guy: “That behavior is contrary to the book you claim to follow”
Everyone: cheers
Christian: “I agree!”
You: “nO tRuE sCoTsMaN!!!1!”
???
You suck at telling stories like this lmao, you’re the one no true scotsmaning shitty Christians to try and avoid any flak for being associated with them. Legit this comment is utterly incomprehensible, tf is your point? Who’s guy? Who’s everyone? I assure you far from everyone thinks that republicans aren’t real Christians
Let me simplify it for you:
The argument that everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian, and also every Christian belongs to the same group and is responsible for the actions of everyone who claims to be a Christian, is patently absurd.
You can have two people with wildly different beliefs, but if they both use the label Christian somehow they are both responsible for the actions of each other.
Never fails, Christians (ostensibly “”““real””“” ones lol) always go to this, such a convenient out for rancid, unserious, responsibility denying dingdongs
- Attend Churches where pastors and preachers proselytize about anything “Sinful”
- Call themselves Christian proudly
- Wears crosses
- Says its forbidden by God to do something that the Bible says is bad
- Uses the words of Saint Paul to expand on those words
Damn that sounds like they are Christian, but you know, I guess they’re “not true Christians” because they happen to do everything on Saturday instead of Sunday, or don’t wash the feet of the poor, or something else that caused a schism 200 years ago.
Weird. None of that actually mentions Jeeeeeeesus or the things he supposedly said and did.
Weird how all the hate comes from things the apparent Son of God didn’t do, but they chose to believe in those things instead.
It’s like they’re hypocrites. False shepards.
Fake Christians.
This staunch denial of any responsibility for other shitty Christians is why nobody likes or respects you. Do something about other hateful Christians, don’t just fucking deny that they exist. Pathetic
Lol, because I’m a Christian. Good spot, Sherlock.
I definitely don’t consider all theists basically non-sentient.
Oh, so you’re just a troll who wants to piss everyone off. You were kinda doing an OK job, but now it’s way too obvious. I hope this shit gets tired for you some day💖
Sure bro. Because there aren’t atheists who have noticed the discrepancy between the messaging in the Gospel, the rest of the Bible, and what parts bigots love to point to and what they love to ignore, and they can’t possibly think some kinds of theists are worse than others
Ya clown.
Jesus: Love thy neighbour
These people: act in ways that is the opposite of loving their neighbour
Sure as fuck sounds like they aren’t following the teaching of Jesus. Going to a church doesn’t make someone a Christian any more than going to my garage makes me a mechanic.
Never mind Christians- long before this “cancel culture” bullshit started, Republicans were perfectly happy to censor the Dixie Chicks and basically destroy their careers because they dared to criticize George W. Bush.
I’ve never heard any of them say that was wrong of them, just that cancel culture is the worst thing ever.
Decades? Millennia!
Actually, everybody complains about cancel culture. And Christians.
The people “ranting about cancel culture” are not the generalized group “Christians.” What can you do though? Lemmy fully embraces hate against Christians.
Yeah Christians are so persecuted. I feel so bad for them. Good thing you’re here to defend them or they wouldn’t be that most powerful group in the country.
Your response makes no sense, I never said they were. I said this meme is inaccurate and that Lemmy embraces hate against Christians.
Ok I’ll spell it out for you instead of joking around then. This meme is incredibly accurate. There has been nothing in human history that has caused more pain and harm than religion and Christianity is the worst offender. It absolutely deserves critique and you’re being unreasonable for saying that Lemmy is wrong for doing so.
Delusional. Also Lemmy doesn’t criticize religion, it just promotes hatred for Christianity in the general sense. If the same memes were posted about Muslims moderators would remove them.
There you go again pretending that Christianity is being oppressed when: 1) it’s not and 2) it deserves to be so even if you weren’t full of shit it would be appropriate
Hi, Jew here. You have no fucking idea what hatred means. Oh boo hoo, people were mean to your religion on the Internet.
I’m guessing no one ever kicked the shit out of you personally because you were a Christian. I wish I could say the same.
I’ll leave it to you to guess what religion the people who have done that to me adhered to. Hint: Not Islam, Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Confucianism, Shintoism, Baha’i, Wicca, Unitarian Universalism or any traditional indigenous religions.
Hate isn’t canceling. If people were shutting down churches or demonizing random church goers for being church goers you’d be right… but they aren’t.
An anecdote is not evidence of a culture of cancelling.
I thought that the article being from this morning would say enough, but I mean… https://www.christianpost.com/news/436-acts-of-hostility-against-us-churches-documented-in-2023.html
Nobody would fuck with churches if churches stayed quiet and stopped trying to impose their morality on the rest of us. Because of religion we are losing fundamental human rights. I’d be pissed too.
I don’t hate the believer, I hate the beliefs. /s
Yeah they’re just the loudest and proudest people who wear crosses around their neck and only vote for other people who are loud and proud of their Christian love wanting to ban anything remotely “sinful.” Everyone knows that Christians are the most oppressed in the West! Truly no one knows how hard it is to be a follower of the majority belief, and never need to defend it from the state.
Also here’s a brief list of things Christians tried to cancel in the United States: Comic books, rock and roll, jazz, dungeons and dragons, magic the gathering, radio, television, other forms of Christianity, anything remotely queer, Italians, Irish, Chinese, Jews, abolitionists, civil rights marchers, feminists…
And here’s the entire list of times Christians were oppressed by laws pushed by non-Christian groups/state actors in the United States and the West in general:
Truly no one knows how hard it is to be a follower of the majority belief
That’s the thing, it is the majority belief (well over 50% of the population) and yet the draconian over reach you are complaining about does not have the support of nearly 50% of the population. Therefore there must be a large number of Christians that are also against it. They are on your side. I don’t know why you are trying so hard to insist they are your enemy.
Don’t like the fact that you belong to a group known for being shitty? Clean your fucking house or leave the group. Don’t tell us they don’t belong in your group. Tell them.
But if all the horrible people left Christianity, they wouldn’t be the dominant religion anymore, and they can’t have that!
“Everyone I disagree with are the same people”
Why yes, cancelling, shunning, etc is bad.
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how so?
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