If someone is behaving like a nazi they aren’t a left wing extremist. The OG Nazis called themselves socialists - but they were not socialists, were they? They were fascists.
Can you show me any of these extremists who you think are both on the left and Nazis? And explain why you think they are both of those things?
And to be clear - I am not calling all right wing extremists Nazis. All Nazis are right wing extremists, not all right wing extremists are Nazis. You seem to be content to throw the word around for anyone who you disagree with, but it is in fact a word that represents a specific political ideology which occupies a particular place on the spectrum.
What is “behaving like a nazi” to you? Are these trans activists advocating the extermination of the Jews? No? Then they probably aren’t fucking Nazis are they.
It’s hilarious that you’re accusing trans activists of “labelling anyone who disagrees with them” as teansphobes… While yourself labelling anyone you disagree with a nazi, with no regard to what the word actually means!
Please, define what Nazi means to you, because otherwise this conversation is pointless.
Edit to add: and seriously, to you “trans women are women” is the same level as “we should exterminate the Jews”? What the fuck dude?
I would define a Nazi as someone who follows or supports the socio-political ideology Nazism - to quote Wikipedia:
the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.
I would also include neo-Nazis who, again quoting Wiki:
seek to revive and reinstate Nazi ideology
I will grant you that some people use the word in a much weaker way (see “grammar nazi”), which I find frustrating but I have to acknowledge is a modern usage… but not the one I have been using in this conversation.
so you tell me,when the extreme left wingers are found not guilty of doing the same as their right wing counter parts??
I’m not sure what you’re asking here. Are you suggesting that modern leftists are fascists?
The origin of this conversation was the your idea that left- and right-wing extremism is the same. My position is they are different. I’m not saying that people on the far left don’t do some of the things that the Nazis did. It would be impossible, really, I mean they also built roads but I’m not about to call civil engineers Nazis. Looking at modern (i.e. neo-) Nazis, my point is that they are not comparable to left-wing extremists around today. Their views are not similar, their goals are not similar, their methods are not similar. Can you find a racist leftist? Of course. Can you find a non-racist Nazi? No.
I’ll stop using Nazis or neo-Nazis as examples, though, because it’s clearly not helpful. Consider white supremacists, instead, if that helps.
Going back to the other commenter who shared the blog post - we see that far right extremism is responsible for >90% of extremist murders in the US in recent years. Clearly far left extremism cannot compete! The trans activists you mentioned earlier, are they similar? Are they going out and killing people? I glossed over it before but your point was that they “label” anyone who “disagrees with them” as a transphobe… Even if you disagree with that label, it hardly seems comparable to killing people. ___
both end of the extreme aren’t that much different in a sense that they are basically extremes that drives people to behaving badly, uncivil,intolerant and discrimitory
The extremes are different, the behaviours are different… wildly so! One extreme involves advocating for the extermination of entire peoples, while the best example of the other extreme you can come up with so far is accusing people of transphobia! How can you think these are the same? And they “drive” people to obviously very different ends, too! The far right version of “behaving badly” is fucking murdering people, while the far left version is apparently being mean to you on the internet.
Please, provide an example of leftists actually doing something you think is as bad as killing people, or advocating genocide. Otherwise it seems like you are the apologist - and you aren’t just an apologist of some nebulous group who you won’t define, as you accused me of, you are actually being an apologist for far right child murderers. Because by comparing the far right’s crimes to something as people on the internet policing language you are minimising those crimes, and that is a disservice to the victims of those crimes.
“Extremism” doesn’t inherently mean “violent.” Equating those with far-left views with “bad and violent” views is unsubstantiated.
Every single claim you’ve made, that extremism is bad because it drives people to “behave badly” is unsubstantiated. You’re arguing off of vibes alone.
The two extremes are not “equally bad.” On the far-right, you have genocide and ethno-states under brutal fascist rule, on the far left you have a stateless, classless, moneyless society.
If someone is behaving like a nazi they aren’t a left wing extremist. The OG Nazis called themselves socialists - but they were not socialists, were they? They were fascists.
Can you show me any of these extremists who you think are both on the left and Nazis? And explain why you think they are both of those things?
And to be clear - I am not calling all right wing extremists Nazis. All Nazis are right wing extremists, not all right wing extremists are Nazis. You seem to be content to throw the word around for anyone who you disagree with, but it is in fact a word that represents a specific political ideology which occupies a particular place on the spectrum.
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What is “behaving like a nazi” to you? Are these trans activists advocating the extermination of the Jews? No? Then they probably aren’t fucking Nazis are they.
It’s hilarious that you’re accusing trans activists of “labelling anyone who disagrees with them” as teansphobes… While yourself labelling anyone you disagree with a nazi, with no regard to what the word actually means!
Please, define what Nazi means to you, because otherwise this conversation is pointless.
Edit to add: and seriously, to you “trans women are women” is the same level as “we should exterminate the Jews”? What the fuck dude?
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I would define a Nazi as someone who follows or supports the socio-political ideology Nazism - to quote Wikipedia:
I would also include neo-Nazis who, again quoting Wiki:
I will grant you that some people use the word in a much weaker way (see “grammar nazi”), which I find frustrating but I have to acknowledge is a modern usage… but not the one I have been using in this conversation.
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I’m not sure what you’re asking here. Are you suggesting that modern leftists are fascists?
The origin of this conversation was the your idea that left- and right-wing extremism is the same. My position is they are different. I’m not saying that people on the far left don’t do some of the things that the Nazis did. It would be impossible, really, I mean they also built roads but I’m not about to call civil engineers Nazis. Looking at modern (i.e. neo-) Nazis, my point is that they are not comparable to left-wing extremists around today. Their views are not similar, their goals are not similar, their methods are not similar. Can you find a racist leftist? Of course. Can you find a non-racist Nazi? No.
I’ll stop using Nazis or neo-Nazis as examples, though, because it’s clearly not helpful. Consider white supremacists, instead, if that helps.
Going back to the other commenter who shared the blog post - we see that far right extremism is responsible for >90% of extremist murders in the US in recent years. Clearly far left extremism cannot compete! The trans activists you mentioned earlier, are they similar? Are they going out and killing people? I glossed over it before but your point was that they “label” anyone who “disagrees with them” as a transphobe… Even if you disagree with that label, it hardly seems comparable to killing people. ___
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The extremes are different, the behaviours are different… wildly so! One extreme involves advocating for the extermination of entire peoples, while the best example of the other extreme you can come up with so far is accusing people of transphobia! How can you think these are the same? And they “drive” people to obviously very different ends, too! The far right version of “behaving badly” is fucking murdering people, while the far left version is apparently being mean to you on the internet.
Please, provide an example of leftists actually doing something you think is as bad as killing people, or advocating genocide. Otherwise it seems like you are the apologist - and you aren’t just an apologist of some nebulous group who you won’t define, as you accused me of, you are actually being an apologist for far right child murderers. Because by comparing the far right’s crimes to something as people on the internet policing language you are minimising those crimes, and that is a disservice to the victims of those crimes.
“Extremism” doesn’t inherently mean “violent.” Equating those with far-left views with “bad and violent” views is unsubstantiated.
Every single claim you’ve made, that extremism is bad because it drives people to “behave badly” is unsubstantiated. You’re arguing off of vibes alone.
The two extremes are not “equally bad.” On the far-right, you have genocide and ethno-states under brutal fascist rule, on the far left you have a stateless, classless, moneyless society.