cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/16660104
Consider supporting Lemmy development or donating to your local server if you have the means. Peace!
I’m assuming 1172 is a count of donations to official mainstream servers. I have definitely contributed to my local server.
I think it’s only donations to the development team. Summing up the donors across Liberapay, Open Collective and Patreon gives close to the number in the title.
I am a Patreon supporter of the developers. It’s that the best way to support the project?
The Lemmy project - yes. You want to check if your home instance is sustainably funded too. I think lemmy.world for example is well funded. So is lemmy.ca - my home instance.
I know for a fact that DB Zer0 could use some love, and their admin has created a lot of extra tools that have helped the Fediverse manage abusive instances. If your instance is well funded, but you would still like to donate somewhere to show your support, I highly suggest you check them out.
Their donation links are in their sidebar.
I believe they prefer Libera pay over the other options last I had checked
It’s quite nice running it myself
I think it’s a symptom of Lemmy’s core premise - where do I direct funds as the “common” user (read as less technically sophisticated)? To access and engage with Lemmy I…
- use an app…
- that channels a specific server…
- contained within are individual mods that maintain communities and curate content…
- and all of that lives within the larger “world” of Lemmy as an idea
There are many hands in that chain. Your dedicated users can handle negotiating that decision maybe, but the “common” user cannot - and this post is trying to discuss Lemmy at scale, so you’re talking about that “common” user.
Again, it’s counter to the founding spirit of Lemmy, but we’re missing a centralized path to supporting all of the distributed hands doing work on this idea. Not an easy problem to solve, but one that should be acknowledged.
I’m a monthly donor :)
Seeing your comment I was like, oh I know this guy. And then I remembered you are the one building the lemmy frontend I use. Thank you :)
Me too! It feels great, honestly. Highly recommend.
I’m poor af alright?
I had no idea it accepted donations, if not for this post I would have no idea where to do it. And still not sure how it works and where the money is for exactly. Is it like sponsoring servers for 1 particular instance?
The links in this post are for funding the two developers who work full time on Lemmy, the software.
The instances are sponsored separately via their own contribution links. E.g. look at the sidebar on lemmy.world and you’re probably gonna find them.
For the system to work we need to fund both the software development and the instances. Currently the software development funding is further behind as it still doesn’t cover two modest salaries. On the other hand I think lemmy.world is sustainably funded. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.
That’s useful thx for the intro.
I think it’s enough for the big picture, and it enables me to make several follow up questions such as
I had no idea this was in the hands of 2 people. Do they really make a living primarily on crowd sourced funds? Exciting and scary for the future of software in general!
There’s a bit more detail here. I think I saw something about NLnet funding getting renewed recently. There are other open source contributors too, but these two are the main Lemmy team.
53k monthly active users is way less than I expected. But makes sense with how slow things are here.
Yeah I’m definitely not gonna donate money to people who are publically and proudly communists.
I might donate to my local instance though. They seem like cool cats.
Nothing wrong with being a communist. Being a tankie on the other hand… Fuck them
Yeah. And for
tankies, sorry, “communists”, the Lemmy devs do whine about money an awful lot.You know there is money in communist nations right? The Soviet Ruble was a thing. This comment reeks of “You criticize society, yet you participate in it”. The Lemmy devs need money to survive, especially in a cutthroat capitalist world. I don’t find it hypocritical within their beliefs. Criticize them for their waving away authoritarian actions, for spreading propaganda, or silencing wrongthink on their instances, but I don’t think it’s fair to come at them for wanting to be fairly compensated for their labor, that’s Marxism 101.
The end goal of communist theory is a stateless, moneyless society. The fact that no country has been successful in transitioning to such a society doesn’t matter here, the end goal remains the same, when speaking about theory.
I personally maintain the major downfall has been putting one person in charge. That’s never gone particularly well, even in capitalist democracies. I’d like to see a country try it out with a council at the top, preferably 9 or more members, but always an odd number to prevent ties.
Also they all failed to establish a proper democracy first, and therefore fell into authoritarianism
Unfortunately executive power tends to coalesce in a single person whenever an emergency situation occurs. Rome tried rule by committee like what you’re describing but gradually slid into dictatorship because of various forces that are basically just human nature.
The Six Nations pulled it off for 15,000-25,000 years. That’s just based on the limited archaeological evidence and oral history, but still. I don’t think it’s human nature so much as a lack of viewing war/violence as a failure of society. The Romans outright celebrated their generals, and many other societies have done so as well.
I’m sure that having the major religion of the last couple millennia in Europe being based on a god of war from the bronze age collapse era didn’t help us any either.
Nothing wrong with being a communist.
That might be debatable.
Being a tankie on the other hand… Fuck them
This is not.
Communism is a political philosophy which in and of itself does not advocate for oppression. There is indeed nothing wrong with it, at least if you advocate for freedom of thought.
The Stalinist version of authoritarianism has been conflated with communism by american (mostly) media during the cold war. It is however a very specific ideology.
Apologists for authoritarian regimes, whatever their political leaning, deserve no platform or tolerance. Plurality of thought however is needed and essential.
Communists are people who live on a commune.
A commune is a group of people living together and sharing possessions and responsibilities.
On one end, a group of friends who live in a house sharing food and living space, you can absolutely call them communists. And the other end of all the bad shit. Same with capitalist, where there’s multiple angles of it all.
That bad shit is tankie, where its authoritarian communists.
I hope I helped.
Communists are people who live on a commune.
That’s perhaps not a commonly(hah) agreed definition of the word.
Using this as my opportunity to brag that I have been a donor since the Reddit exodus! Hopefully I am donating to the right place:
The official Liberapay link now points to https://liberapay.com/Lemmy/.
Aren’t they a tankie
Have a look at their profiles and decide for yourself.
yeah that’s the main dev of lemmy, but there’s a separate lemmy liberapay too now (both are ok probably)
Yeah no, after seeing how they treat their users and mods… I’ll stick to funding my instance.
I know people like to shit on the Reddit gold concept. But I still think it makes sense and is one of the least obtrusive ways to raise funds sustainably.
Removed by mod
I give $1 a month on patreon, hopefully that’s enough cause I’m broke AF.
If you’re broke, don’t give. I think there’s enough of us who can afford a few bucks a month and we should get more people to do it.
It’s a dollar more per month than most of us, including myself, will ever give.
i was once told to hotlink images from other hosters… as opposed to uploading to lemmy. (to save on resources!)
Hotlinking is stealing. Besides servee owner could change the images your hotlinking to. Or he coukd delete it altogether
Haha I remember seeing the geocities threats about hotlinking.
The web is built on hot linking hypermedia. It is more fragile obviously, but it distributes the bandwidth and storage load. If nobody hotlinked, then small forum admins/Lemmy admins/etc. have considerably more cost to bear.
This meme is hotlinked, as God intended.
If the server owner isn’t fine with others hottlinking they can simply deny requests not related to there website(s). On that note, I hope you are donating to your instance, otherwise by your logic you are stealing there resources.
I hope you are donating to your instance, otherwise by your logic you are stealing there resources.
How is that my logic? Admins of my instance are fine with people using their instance without donation so there is nothing unethical here. If people must pay to use their instance then it can’t be called “donation”, it’s called “payment”.
If the server owner isn’t fine with others hottlinking they can simply deny requests
Can I use same logic to say if you are not fine with people robbing your home, you must lock your door?
Admins of my instance are fine with people using their instance Fair enough, it appears they are completely happy for you to use up a small piece of there resources
If you can’t be bothered to spend 5 minutes to put up the magical “do not use my resources” message (origin: Same-site) in your site’s headers, then I think people would believe that using up a portion of your bandwidth is fine and act accordingly.
We like free stuff?
Why would I donate?
Do you like it here? Do you want it to succeed? Do you realize that instance servers and rust developers cost money? Those are the reasons why.
Either we help this place thrive now, or we’ll be watching assholes like Threads dominate the Fediverse. We can all be part of the solution, or we can be apathetic and continue to complain about the corporate internet while doing absolutely nothing about it.
I have never regretted a donation to a FOSS project.
It’s an ok experience. Realistically Reddit was much better before a bunch of changes and Lemmy hasn’t filled that/not sure it will catch up.
I don’t care if it succeeds or not. We’ll all just move on to the next thing if it doesn’t.
Yes of course it costs money - but it’s not my business to run and it’s the business’s problem. I’m not a charity or an investor so I don’t need to worry about whether the business succeeds or not.
So basically, no reason to donate.
Who do you think “the business” is? Lemmy is a free open source software created by volunteers. The one paid developer works for donations alone. Every instance is independently run, free of charge, and donation supported.
Have you looked around and noticed the lack of ads, algorithms, and promoted posts? All of that is due to Lemmy not being a business.
If you don’t want to contribute even a positive word toward other people donating what they can, then I’m really not sure what you’re doing in a brand new community driven FOSS project.
Alternative to reddit and to keep track of other technologies.
But yes, I get that the whole thing is free and donation driven. At the same time, if it’s free then it’s free. Why would you pay for something that’s free, sort of defies the point. If it can’t sustain itself being free then it can’t be free.
Maybe it’s an autistic thing but it’s just logically irrational.
Its not free in the traditional sense, its just someone else pays for you. These projects work by being “free” with their biggest/most charitable users supporting it. Every major software project that runs the web, be it curl or python, works that way. You do not pay to use the service, you are instead paying to help delay the abandonment of the project and bring updates to improve your experience.
If you don’t particually want this project to succeed, then that’s fine, though you should probably pay your instance a dollar to cover the bills incurred by your own use of there resources.
That does explain some of my bewilderment at your stances in this conversation.
Nobody says you have to donate, but you are discouraging others to do so as well with your definitive statement of “no reason to donate”.
In effect, if nobody donates, we are putting 100% of the pressure on about a dozen individuals who run large instances and/or who develop the software. Overbearing financial pressure like that burns out good administrators.
Lastly, helping in any way you can is just plain neighborly. If you can’t help by donating, you can at least not discourage others from doing so. Even a “I appreciate the hard work that goes into this place” is a contribution.
Instead, you’ve chosen to basically say “I don’t care, not my problem, I don’t care if it burns”, which is a pretty rude thing to say in a thread directed as a thank you to the people who have put in all the hard work and time to make this place.
So, in summary, you don’t have to donate, you don’t have to care, but if you are discouraging others from caring and getting involved, you are no longer neutral, you are part of the problem.
This is such a bummer of comment on so many levels. It’s like the tragedy of the commons became sentiment and chose nihilism
Yep it is. But it’s reality. No point fighting for something that doesn’t exist.
