Officer Joshua Coleman chased and shot an 18 year old in the back while they ran. Then had the audacity to tell him “I’m going to save your life.”. This is the fifth (as if this article) shooting that this lunatic has been involved in. He was previously found to have bent tip(s) on his badge, which is something cops do to mark their fatal shootings. ACAB.
“I’m going to save your life” reeks of his God complex. He knows better than his damn government. And I wonder how long his camera battery has been dead. How many days.
I only know ONE police officer personally. And he’s a huge egotistic sack of racist shit.
A good friend of mine has an older brother that is a state trooper and I have heard him say … “… A dead suspect can’t defend himself in court” multiple times.
But I also my tenant who is a new state trooper and he is the nicest guy I have ever met. Maybe he isn’t tainted yet.
My father is a retired cop and a genuinely good guy. Despite that, he still listens to Conservative radio and rants about the rising crime rates and how the US needs to do a better job of enforcing the “rule of law”. No matter how nice a cop may be, they still participate in a system that hammers into them that the only way to reduce crime is more policing. It’s a system that perpetuates itself by spreading fear.
Ya, probably my tenant isn’t tainted then.
I work in municipal government, and different departments have very different police. It really comes diem to leadership and accountability.
In my last city, the police department wasn’t founded until around 2010. The city manager who hired all their leadership at the beginning was a black man who had seen bad policing in his day.
They started with the understanding that shit don’t fly. They all wore body cams from the moment the department was founded. They get most of their hires fresh from the academies so they haven’t been tainted. They focus on public safety and compliance instead of punishment (in 2023 they wrote 4 tickets between 20 officers). It’s a great department.
My current city is different. They exist to chase poor people and minorities out of the city. When there was a major collapse in a road, I (the maps and permits guy) was out there flagging traffic myself because the police chief didn’t see it (public safety) as their problem. They go to the"warrior cop" seminars and just meet every stereotye of the bad cop.
The rest of the city staff hates them for a million reasons, but primarily because they’re useless. We could just use the county sheriff’s office and highway patrol and achieve everything we need to, but instead over half our staff positions are wasted on police when we don’t even have a public works department or city engineer.
I think the problem with every system that involves any sort of centralized power (hint: almost all of them) that, no matter how well intentioned the original vision was, it is human nature to eventually get drunk off their newfound authority and start abusing it
That sounds so ideal, and something I feel like my city would be all about. According to newspapers, they just keep insisting that nobody wants the job. Nobody applying to any open position, so they’re hiring anyone capable
Disgusting. I hope he gets life.
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No, life would be better. Death is a painless solution, while living as a former pig in a maximum security prison is going to leave him with PTSD, anxiety, fear, and hopefully plenty of physical abuse.
Maybe, but your idea for a punishment is a total pipe dream. He will not get a significant sentence…if he sees any punishment at all. In the grand scheme of things a family member of this kid finding him and shooting him in the face as his family watches is simply more likely to happen.
Also probably not going to happen but…whatever. Thats the country we live in. 3 years from now he will be cleared of all wrong doing.
Incarcerated on the taxpayers’ bill, no less. Meh. FAFO, fuckin’ pigs. ✊🏽
Why? To have his buddies in the system help release him early but still broken psychologically to abuse the family who had finally gotten use to a new normal without the red marks from the thin blue line? To have that shell of an abuser go out into the world, hating the people around him for not understanding that his reality was enforcing the distinction between the elite alpha wolf first responders in life and the glue sniffing degenerate civilians that need to be protected from themselves - except now he’s not privileged. He’s now one of the people he has grown to despise and he can’t stand it. He grows resentful and eventually kills himself and/or those around him.
All at the tax payers expense.
I’ve always heard that the death penalty costs more than life in prison
That’s more an issue of the court/justice system rather than a resource one. It’s objectively more expensive to keep a person alive than to kill them, if it “costs more” it’s just due to bureaucracy.
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Negative. There is no earthly penalty greater than death, which erases all joy or suffering they ever felt anyway.
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If he goes to prison I’ll eat my shoe. And it’s not leather.
Hemp?
Something with a bit more cancer risk.
Bacon?
Too greasy.
I don’t know man, I’m all for police oversight, but this isn’t a great example. This dude is running around a neighbourhood with a gun. Who says he doesn’t go into one of those houses and some innocent person gets hurt.
The cop yelled at him to drop the gun and stop running, he didn’t.
The part of them trying to cover it up after is shitty, but the action itself I can’t really take the criminal’s side. Again, image that’s my neighbour with my kids playing in the area, I don’t want some lunatic running around with a gun.
I realise what sub I’m in, and this isn’t a popular opinion and that’s fine. We need police reform, but this isn’t a good example.
When people jump on everything with the same fervor it weakens your case because people start tuning you out.
“Somebody could potentially have been in danger later” doesn’t justify murder.
Additionally, someone is innocent until proven guilty and that’s not the cops job. The cop shot someone not guilty and now people are speculating about the crimes that person could have done to justify it
This is an interesting ethical dilemma which I don’t know if there’s a clear cut answer. It’s a variation of the trolley problem (sort of). I think it depends a lot on the risk assessment being made. I don’t know the details of this particular case, but I can think of plenty of examples where a potential future danger should be limited by direct action. I’m happy to provide examples if you’re interested in exploring this thought further. I don’t know that I have a simple yes/no answer to this dilemma (also why I never became a cop).
I’m all for devils advocate and hearing all sides and all but…
Coleman has Been Involved in Four Other Shootings, was Previously Implicated in Fatal Shooting Scandal
If there’s a scent of shit everywhere you go, at some point you might want to check your shoes.
I don’t think a person is actually interested in hearing both sides if this is mysteriously omitted from their discussion.
In America, you are legally allowed to have a gun.
There’s no real reason to think this guy was a criminal.
Yes, you can have a gun, but holding it opening in front of an officer is asking for trouble.
That’s fascism.
You can’t go by what if. I’m so tired of people defending their stance because of whataboutism. It’s a shitty argument. Dude was literally running for his life. I will be honest, I don’t know the full extent of the situation yet, but I do agree with you that people shouldn’t just jump on the bandwagon just because a cop shot someone. But just looking at the video, I don’t see why this kid was shot. Did the kid shoot at the officer? Did the kid threaten the officer’s life? Those are the questions I don’t know.
Should I fear for my life just because I am carrying a gun? I live in an open carry state. I don’t carry anymore, but I see plenty of people walking around with a weapon. my first thought isn’t that the person is a criminal just because they carry and I really don’t have much thought about it at all.
My views on this are still neutral until I know more information, but please don’t go on about whataboutism.
The guy that got shot was part of a car chase that switched to a foot chase after the cars tire blew out. The guy didn’t just walk down the road with a gun. In the video you can also see the guy making a strange movement with the gun just before the cop shot. It most likely was to throw the gun away but the cop couldn’t have known that. And given the overall circumstances shooting at this point seems reasonable.
But the cop is still a piece of shit that shouldn’t have been a cop by this point anymore. He is a cop since 2018 and has been involved in now 5 shootings (far higher than the average). And he was part of the badge bending scandal. Where cops bent the tips of their badge to mark fatal shootings. Any cop who does that, shouldn’t be a cop.
Luckily the guy survived, unfortunately the cop will stay a cop.
He threw a gun away right in front of the cop. It would be a weird move to throw one away and shoot with the other one.
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“We don’t have enough information” is a perfectly valid stance to take when you lack information.
It should in fact be the default stance to take when lacking information.
“Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers.”
You make some good points in general, but Coleman seems to be everything a cop should not be…
They chased a traffic stop. This wasn’t some crazed murderer on the run. And then the guy tried to comply with the order. He tried to drop his gun. But the officer shot him when he tried to.
The officer has also been involved in 4 other shootings.
So much for “most officers never even pull their gun…”
Doesn’ matter, unless you have a reasonable belief that they will use that weapon unlawfully simply possessing it is nothing but an extra charge and you cannot shoot a fleeing suspect unless you have ras to believe that they are dangerous and that suspicion cannot be generalized and inarticulate.
So much this. If we aren’t going to restrict possession of firearms in any way then we can’t use that as a basis for intent. Just replace, “had a gun”, with literally any other constitutionally protected right and this argument falls flat on its face.
“He was using words, we will never know if he was about to run into a theater and yell ‘fire’…”
The pig lied for a reason. Why are you justifying the execution and cover-up?
Not everything is black and white. There’s nuance to every situation, and this user brings up good points
Ok, but he still justified the attempted execution and cover-up…I don’t see how that is acceptable‽
No, he literally gave a caveat that the cover up was still unacceptable.
This dude is running around a neighbourhood with a gun.
So were the cops, and they actually shot people dead! Why aren’t they fair game to shoot?
So? When situations like this occur in Australia our police will taze first. (unless you’re indigenous or POC…).
The police have other effective methods of stopping a violent person from running into other houses.
If the suspect raises the stakes to endangering life, half measures don’t cut it.
You have a gun out in front of an officer, I am not surprised when tensions rise and someone gets shot.
Shoot someone, who is not immediately threatening another person, in the back in Australia and you are going to jail even if you’re a cop.
America has a broken justice system and dysfunctional police.
Wasn’t it just last week some cop in NSW gunned someone down for looking at him crossways?
Edit: my bad, it was 2 years ago that 4 cops went on a hunt and shot a guy in his own yard for wearing a hoodie. 2 days before Christmas. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-19/nsw-police-brad-balzan-inquest-st-marys/103600190
Thank you, I hadn’t heard this story as it’s not from my state and it shows that the institute of policing is flawed and filled without gun happy scared little monkeys in every country.
yea the article should have been titled armed 18 year old too but you know they probably believe that ends justify the means. in any case seems like this police was one of them trigger happy ones who probably wont feel a drop of remorse over this.
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this is just murder
Should add conspiracy and interfering with an investigation to the murder charges
attempted
alleged
You didn’t watch the video then?
The video of someone being shot in the back?
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“play stupid games win stupid prizes” isn’t a philosophical basis for a justice system. Even Hammurabi moved us beyond that shit. Your worldview is meme based. It’s pretty sad.
“I thought you were going to try and pull that gun on me,” Coleman said.
But it’s not like he has a history of this shit, oh wait
“Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers.”
People underestimate the number of active serial killers there are because so many of them wear badges and their murders are never prosecuted.
Similarly people also underestimate the number of people who commit domestic violence against their partners, the numbers are obviously difficult to get a real handle on (you are asking people to reveal things they might not want to reveal, even if they are the victim) but the number is probably somewhere around 30% of cops commit domestic abuse on their spouses and family.
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The sheriff’s office did not release body camera video of the shooting as the sheriff’s office said Officer Joshua Coleman’s body camera batteries died before the pursuit and he hadn’t been able to return to the charging station.
How the fuck do they not have 12 charged backup batteries and 2 chargers in every car?!?!? I mean, I know how, but what the actual fuck.
Id be willing to bet the batteries were just fine. Or intentionally not charged.
I’m going to take the under on that bet
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Worth every penny, and far from a large expense for cop budgets.
The LAPD cost more than 50% of the ENTIRE LA budget. Just the cops. Everything else combined costs less than one department.
If that footage is safe/secure/available and makes these murderous thugs think twice about pulling the trigger, then its worth twice the price.
Yeah this should cost less than half that per patrol.
Even for a small town, the yearly budget is likely in the millions of dollars. 60k/year shouldn’t be a crippling expense.
I was at least happy to see the kid survived.
This officer deserves to be imprisoned.
ACAB
How come all the pro-gun fuckstains that claim “guns keep police honest” are never in these threads saying “the kid should have opened fire on the cop” or “people in nearby houses should have threatened the cop with a gun”?
But nope, they just stick to threads about gun control and peddle the same rhetoric that crystal gripping hippies have used for decades. “My cancer-preventing crystals didn’t prevent your cancer? Damn, imagine how much cancer you would have had without the crystals. You basically owe me your life. You better buy more.”
If it makes it any better I wish people wouldve gunned down the cop, but im also a mildly insane socialst redneck. But hey some of us do want to burn down the local police station, we are just few and far between.
I don’t care if you burn down police stations, figuratively or literally. I’m just sick to fucking death of pro-gun people seeking out vulnerable minorities and convincing them that buying a gun is anything other than a donation to the Republican party.
Dude I was responding to the point of “Why dont pro-gun people advocate shooting cops” not some point about how buying firearms is unethical. As for that point, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Shopping at Walmart probably contributes just as much if not more to the republicans than buying a 1911 or an AR-15. Dont know if ya noticed but we’ve got a bit of a Nazi problem again, and frankly even if we keep the republicans out of office they will probably cause problems for minorities.
As for the claim that folks like myself are preying on minorities, I am of the general opinion that adults have the ability to tell if they think they may need a firearm or not. One of my best friends is trans and a tad bit too suicidal to trust himself with one, one of my other friends has at least two shotguns in his closet. I have no guns cause Ronald Reagan started the trend of shitty guns laws here in California and I am also a broke motherfucker.
Shopping at Walmart probably contributes just as much if not more to the republicans than buying a 1911 or an AR-15.
You don’t need to make guesses. You can see how much the gun lobby donates (and to what scumbags).
Dont know if ya noticed but we’ve got a bit of a Nazi problem again, and frankly even if we keep the republicans out of office they will probably cause problems for minorities.
Damn, so the Nazi problem must be even worse in places like Australia and the UK who have “banned guns” right? Oh look at that. It isn’t. Because guns don’t prevent Nazis.
But goddamn, do those gun laws ever help Nazis. I don’t know how many Nazis there are with AR-15s in England, but if I was betting on something that fucked, my money would be on “zero”. Meanwhile in America there must be what… at least a million?
So thanks for that. Thanks for ensuring that the “problems” they cause minorities aren’t just slurs and fists, but being executed in the street by a “responsible gun owner”.
One of my best friends is trans and a tad bit too suicidal to trust himself with one
What a cool situation the pro-gun community has put them in. If they’re murdered by a far-right fuckstain with a legal gun, the pro-gun community will victim blame them because they didn’t have a gun. If they buy a gun and kill themselves with it, they’ll be swept under the rug because suicides don’t count for the pro-gun crowd.
my other friends has at least two shotguns in his closet
Then your friend should secure their firearms properly.
i read the article, saw the video and asked mysel
don’t they have any law enforcement there ???
Oh man, this cop is in for a real threat. What is he going to do on his paid administrative leave?!?!?!
Obviously he’ll take the time to manage his GoFundMe for all the trauma and suffering he had to go through.
And I’m guessing the paperwork filled at the time was lying about this detail
“Just as Coleman fired twice, another gun appeared to fly from Rogers’ hand into a front yard.” Surely the cop had no reason to shoot…
I 100% agree. The victim was running away, so there was no reason to shoot.
As an outsider it seems like America is a country full of people running around with guns and shooting each other. How does anyone there manage to relax?
The real answer is that most people can not manage to relax, even if just because of financial issues alone.
Eh, there’s pretty bad police violence globally, if we ignore authoritarian countries or poor countries, there’s a fair amount of police violence from the other country that jerks itself off in being a free equal liberal democracy, France.
When I was in France I did see the police being heavy-handed on a few occasions (by UK standards anyway) but there was no routine gun violence and certainly no 18 year olds running around with pistols. The US is unique among developed countries.
It don’t sound developed to me. Ever increasing poverty, hard labour, long hours, no social healthcare, political unrest.
Slightly clickbait: Bodycam battery died
Slightly clickbait: Bodycam battery died
Assuming you take the cops at their word. Because they have such a great track record of telling the truth when it comes to body cams (or literally anything for that matter).
a taser would have sufficed in this situation.
A taser would suffice in nearly ALL use of force situations.
