supermarkets often buy from suppliers who themselves are just middlemen. but regardless, all of those people are agents with free will, so no one else can be said to be resposible for their actions except the person who is doing teh action.
You’re just grasping at straws. Capitalism obviously sucks at self-regualtion and voting with your dollar to the fullest extent you can is important. Paying for a distrubution that pays for a hitman / breeder is no different than paying for a hitman / breeder. Buying meat isn’t necesary, you can buy non-animal based products and the supplier wont pay for more animals to be bred and killed. Even if you don’t push the supplier over the threshold of a purchase, its gambling eachtime till you shoot the bullet.
You pretending that your lifetime commitment of supporting an animal abuse industry doesn’t lead to blood shed is patronozing lol. You can make your own hoops and pretend they don’t lead to suffering but they do. You are responsible for their deaths if you pay for them. Stop making excuses to hurt more animals
I do when it’s violating another being’s atonomy who can suffer lol. You’re the aggressor in the scenario. I am doing the baseline, you’re voting for death
Not voting
Supporting buisness practices by paying for them is voting to keep those practices in buianess
capacity to suffer
Because if I were to hurt you, you wouldn’t like it. I respect your autonomy and believe it’s wrong to hurt you unless I absolutely had to to defend myself. We don’t need to hurt animals, we should love and care for them. Most people feel the same about dogs without advocating for their wellbeing, it shouldn’t stop at dogs.
but nothing is immoral about eating meat or dairy or eggs or honey
It encourages the commodification of animals. unless you’re dumpater diving there will always be harm to some degree aquiring animal products
Meat is never painless, animals wait in a line and hear their fate up ahead at a slaughter house. Bolt guns don’t work properly and can worsen the situation. Breeding requiring AI (artifical semination) which is a violation of their sexual autonomy and outright disgusting that humans do that. Most never see daylight till the roadtrip to the slaughter house, without food or water.
Honey encourages gassing, mailing queens without food or water for days, destruction to local bee populations, and malnurishment by replacing their honey with sugar water.
Male egg laying hens get macerated alive at hatch. Eggs cause chickens to be extrmely malnourished. They produce vastly more eggs than they should and often end up with little to no calcium. They will eat their eggs to regain the nutrients if they can.
any meat I get comes from an animal that’s long dead. my consumption can’t possibly harm it any more, and it can’t causally lead to any other animal beings harmed.
You can have culturally appropriate foods without killing. Vegans exist everywhere in the world. Culture doesn’t make things that are wrong, right. Genital mutilation and misogyny are wrong, even if they’re apart of someones culture.
farmers aren’t usually paid by consumers
They’re paid by supermarkets which are paid by consumers
supermarkets often buy from suppliers who themselves are just middlemen. but regardless, all of those people are agents with free will, so no one else can be said to be resposible for their actions except the person who is doing teh action.
You’re just grasping at straws. Capitalism obviously sucks at self-regualtion and voting with your dollar to the fullest extent you can is important. Paying for a distrubution that pays for a hitman / breeder is no different than paying for a hitman / breeder. Buying meat isn’t necesary, you can buy non-animal based products and the supplier wont pay for more animals to be bred and killed. Even if you don’t push the supplier over the threshold of a purchase, its gambling eachtime till you shoot the bullet.
you don’t know what I need and it’s patronizing for you to tell me what I should be eating.
You pretending that your lifetime commitment of supporting an animal abuse industry doesn’t lead to blood shed is patronozing lol. You can make your own hoops and pretend they don’t lead to suffering but they do. You are responsible for their deaths if you pay for them. Stop making excuses to hurt more animals
patronizing would be me presuming how you should take care of your own needs.
I do take care of my own needs. And do the baseline of not causing unnecesary harm.
since there is no causal link between what i buy and what is produced, i’m in the same boat.
Stop enabling a cruel industry
i’m uninvolved with the industry
your storytelling is not a substitute for causation.
Stop making excuses for death and abuse
i didn’t make any excuse.
It’s literally how it works, it’s not story telling
the story you tell doesn’t reflect reality.
I do when it’s violating another being’s atonomy who can suffer lol. You’re the aggressor in the scenario. I am doing the baseline, you’re voting for death
I’m not voting at all.
what does the capacity to suffer matter?
that’s not what voting is.
all of your complaints about the animal industry aren’t going to be changed whether I’m vegan or not.
any meat I get comes from an animal that’s long dead. my consumption can’t possibly harm it any more, and it can’t causally lead to any other animal beings harmed.
you are projecting your ethics onto me. I take a different approach than you(clearly), so I have come to a different conclusion.
I’m not responsible for what other people choose to do, and there is nothing immoral about buying culturally appropriate foods.
You can have culturally appropriate foods without killing. Vegans exist everywhere in the world. Culture doesn’t make things that are wrong, right. Genital mutilation and misogyny are wrong, even if they’re apart of someones culture.
but nothing is immoral about eating meat or dairy or eggs or honey.
your hitman analogy doesn’t apply to buying a product on a shelf
Yes it does.
saying it doesn’t make it so.
Hurting animals isn’t okay just because you think it is
hurting animals is amoral. it’s the reason someone might hurt animals that determines the morality. killing animals for food is good.