I do when it’s violating another being’s atonomy who can suffer lol. You’re the aggressor in the scenario. I am doing the baseline, you’re voting for death
Not voting
Supporting buisness practices by paying for them is voting to keep those practices in buianess
capacity to suffer
Because if I were to hurt you, you wouldn’t like it. I respect your autonomy and believe it’s wrong to hurt you unless I absolutely had to to defend myself. We don’t need to hurt animals, we should love and care for them. Most people feel the same about dogs without advocating for their wellbeing, it shouldn’t stop at dogs.
but nothing is immoral about eating meat or dairy or eggs or honey
It encourages the commodification of animals. unless you’re dumpater diving there will always be harm to some degree aquiring animal products
Meat is never painless, animals wait in a line and hear their fate up ahead at a slaughter house. Bolt guns don’t work properly and can worsen the situation. Breeding requiring AI (artifical semination) which is a violation of their sexual autonomy and outright disgusting that humans do that. Most never see daylight till the roadtrip to the slaughter house, without food or water.
Honey encourages gassing, mailing queens without food or water for days, destruction to local bee populations, and malnurishment by replacing their honey with sugar water.
Male egg laying hens get macerated alive at hatch. Eggs cause chickens to be extrmely malnourished. They produce vastly more eggs than they should and often end up with little to no calcium. They will eat their eggs to regain the nutrients if they can.
With ethics people either end up doubling down on all murder being ok except for theirself or going vegan. There isn’t any morally significant difference that is so strong it justifies hurting animals and doesn’t justify hurting humans
Lol you would rather do 15 backflips and double down than just stop hurting animals. NTT isn’t trash and criticism of it I’ve never found to hold up. Elaborate more don’t just state
It is the standard practices around the world. Factory farming in most countries accounts for over 97% of all meat and dairy. Even according to the USDA (which supports animal agriculture, so no bias) for the US, which is higher up to 99% for chickens comparatively than other countries. Australia, new zealand, europe, india, all use factory farming as the main standard. Even if factory farming isn’t common in a country like certain parts of europe, nearly all animal products that are consumed are imported from factory farms
It’s extremely wasteful. Animals lose most calories they intake through energy loss. Its better to grow plants and feed them to ourselves than to breed and kill. Would you be fine breeding and killing humans? Whats the morally significant difference?
any meat I get comes from an animal that’s long dead. my consumption can’t possibly harm it any more, and it can’t causally lead to any other animal beings harmed.
If no one bought animal products, animals wouldn’t be being mass farmed. If half as many didn’t, significantly less would be farmed. If 1 person stops buying animal products for their whole lifetime, tens of thousands less will be farmed.
Voting is not inherently equal lol. You’re conflating and equality based democracy with voting. Voting is when you support someone or something with an action. You can’t wiggle your way around words with semamtics, it’s still voting. Either way you know what I mean by it so debating a definition is ridiculous
It’s literally how it works, idk why you always get caught on semantics. If you provide support for something, its voting. It’s pointless to get caught up on a definition if you understand what I mean, just wastes your time
More animals die if you pay for them, especially over the course of a month, year, or your lifetime of perpetuating death and sexual autonomy violations
I do when it’s violating another being’s atonomy who can suffer lol. You’re the aggressor in the scenario. I am doing the baseline, you’re voting for death
what does the capacity to suffer matter?
you are projecting your ethics onto me. I take a different approach than you(clearly), so I have come to a different conclusion.
Go vegan
i don’t see any good reason to do that.
To stop hurting animals
I’m not hurting animals now.
If you pay for animal products or use them in a way in which leads to an increase in supply you do.
With ethics people either end up doubling down on all murder being ok except for theirself or going vegan. There isn’t any morally significant difference that is so strong it justifies hurting animals and doesn’t justify hurting humans
i think you’re (clumsily) referring to the NTT argument, which falls afowl of the line-drawing fallacy
Lol you would rather do 15 backflips and double down than just stop hurting animals. NTT isn’t trash and criticism of it I’ve never found to hold up. Elaborate more don’t just state
if you care to lay out your argument I will be happy to show the flaw.
I have laid it out and you keep dodging by saying its not causal
that’s just not true. kant was fine with animal husbandry and against murder.
Kant is a joke
so you can see how people disagree about moral frameworks.
It doesn’t make unnecesary suffing ok. If my neighbor has a dog can i kick the dog?
Watch what you’re supporting, watchdomimion.org
that video sucks. and you should give a trigger warning when you link gore.
It’s an educational documentary about the standard practices you support.
it’s not about standard practices, and it’s not well made
It is the standard practices around the world. Factory farming in most countries accounts for over 97% of all meat and dairy. Even according to the USDA (which supports animal agriculture, so no bias) for the US, which is higher up to 99% for chickens comparatively than other countries. Australia, new zealand, europe, india, all use factory farming as the main standard. Even if factory farming isn’t common in a country like certain parts of europe, nearly all animal products that are consumed are imported from factory farms
Your different approach to ethics doesn’t make the killing acceptable. It’s wrong either way.
killing animals for food is good, actually.
It’s extremely wasteful. Animals lose most calories they intake through energy loss. Its better to grow plants and feed them to ourselves than to breed and kill. Would you be fine breeding and killing humans? Whats the morally significant difference?
once the animals have consumed the calories, it’s wasteful not to harvest them. killing animals for food is good.
It’s better to let them live a happy life free of exploitation than to kill them because someone wants a burger.
Killing animals is unnecesary
the difference is that they are human.
Why is that a morally significant trait? What makes a human a human?
any meat I get comes from an animal that’s long dead. my consumption can’t possibly harm it any more, and it can’t causally lead to any other animal beings harmed.
You pay for more to be bred and killed. It’s why they’re bred and killed in the first place, because people support it.
no, i pay for food.
Which pays for death.
no, it doesnt
Stop making exuses to not protect other living beings
Yes it supports it.
that’s not what voting is.
Yes it is.
no, it’s not.
How so
buying meat on a shelf doesn’t have impart any agreement for more meat to be made
If no one bought animal products, animals wouldn’t be being mass farmed. If half as many didn’t, significantly less would be farmed. If 1 person stops buying animal products for their whole lifetime, tens of thousands less will be farmed.
Saying that doesn’t make it true
voting is when people get an equal chance to decide the outcome of an election. buying things isn’t voting.
Voting is not inherently equal lol. You’re conflating and equality based democracy with voting. Voting is when you support someone or something with an action. You can’t wiggle your way around words with semamtics, it’s still voting. Either way you know what I mean by it so debating a definition is ridiculous
you’re stretching the definition of voting to meaninglessness
It’s literally how it works, idk why you always get caught on semantics. If you provide support for something, its voting. It’s pointless to get caught up on a definition if you understand what I mean, just wastes your time
all of your complaints about the animal industry aren’t going to be changed whether I’m vegan or not.
You have the option to not enable 200+ deaths annually.
whether i buy meat or not, more animals will be killed this year than last.
You contribute directly to 200+ by not being vegan a year. Just because others support it doesn’t mean you should or they should.
no, I don’t. regardless of what I buy, more animals are killed every year
You don’t have to be apart of the statistics, you can choose compassion
More animals die if you pay for them, especially over the course of a month, year, or your lifetime of perpetuating death and sexual autonomy violations
Stop voting for corpses
i’m not.
How are you not
I’m not voting for corpses. it’s just not something I do.
You are with your money if you pay for animal products. It tells suppiers you want to buy more corpses.
I’m not voting at all.