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    8 months ago

    Specifically talking about the ones who are voting uncommitted though. If they do that then they recognize that Joe is supporting an ongoing genocide. They aren’t the ones who are saying “won’t someone think of the campaign” unless it is to say he is alienating marginal groups that is putting his re-election at risk.

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      8 months ago

      Sure, fair enough. If they’re voting uncommitted, I’d assume they don’t approve of his actions regarding Palestine or his treatment of immigrants/refugees. That’s fair.

      I also totally understand not wanting Trump to win, but unfortunately this has been used pretty consistently to shut down any criticism of Biden whatsoever, so I’m immediately on guard when I see someone doing so. Like, even in threads where I say repeatedly that I voted for Biden and that I’m willing to do so again if it comes to that (in the general election, not the primary) – that’s still not enough for them, because criticizing Biden “hurts the campaign,” which to me is extremely distasteful and even ghoulish to say when there are people suffering and dying due to Biden’s actions.

      Meanwhile, practically all the reasons I wouldn’t vote for Trump are things that Biden is currently doing:

      The wall

      The concentration camps

      The genocide

      The use of torture

      The hostility to equitable healthcare

      The anti-LGBTQIA+ policies

      Like, remind me again why voting for Biden is better? All the things they said would be better under Biden are the same as they were under Trump. Like, I get that Trump is also threatening a fascist coup, but all the things I would fear under a fascist coup are already happening under Biden. It just goes around in circles in my mind.

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        8 months ago

        Cynically, It’s like a one-way ratchet to the right with the two parties.

        I would say there’s other things like the resurgence of unions and anti-monopoly enforcement that would absolutely not happen under a Republican regime. And some of those unions (ie UAW) have publicly come out against the genocide.

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          It would be a bit of a stretch to say Biden is pro-union though. For instance, even though the outcome worked out in the railroad workers’ favor, Biden had to make sure he had the agency and authority, and he ultimately did disenfranchise and silence workers in the process. The outcome was good, but it should have come from the bottom-up instead of the top-down. Biden ensured that it could not.

          Cynically, It’s like a one-way ratchet to the right with the two parties.

          I think this is absolutely true, and it makes me feel validated as an anarchist to see the truth in the observation that all states gradually descend into fascism at varying rates – but I’d rather not feel validated. I’d rather that the liberals were right and that we could fix everything within the system – but it’s become increasingly evident that we cannot. I can cast my vote for Biden to buy us more time, but that’s where my optimism ends – we need to be doing more than voting. And we should definitely be applying as much criticism and pressure to the sitting president as we possibly can. If that criticism hurts his campaign, well then he has the option to just stop so that the criticism stops.