Gender gap expands between Biden and Trump, new poll shows

@MicroWave@lemmy.world · 5 months ago

Gender gap expands between Biden and Trump, new poll shows

@KoboldCoterie@pawb.social · edit-2 5 months ago

The numbers were relatively unchanged for men — 53 percent of men said they’d vote for Trump and 42 percent chose Biden in the latest poll, compared to 51 percent for Biden and 41 percent for Trump in December.

This has to be a typo… right?

Edit: From the linked study, the accurate version:

Men 53 - 42 percent support Trump, largely unchanged from December when it was 51 - 41 percent.

@MicroWave@lemmy.world · edit-2 5 months ago

There is an interesting trend that Gen Z men are leaning more conservative, while more Gen Z women are becoming liberal :

Something strange is happening between Gen Z men and women. Over the past decade, poll after poll has found that young people are growing more and more divided by gender on a host of political issues. Since 2014, women between the ages of 18 and 29 have steadily become more liberal each year, while young men have not. Today, female Gen Zers are more likely than their male counterparts to vote, care more about political issues, and participate in social movements and protests.

While the gender gap is an enduring feature of American politics, at no time in the past quarter century has there been such a rapid divergence between the views of young men and women. The startling speed of the change suggests something more significant is going on than just new demographic patterns, such as rising rates of education or declining adherence to a religion — the change points to some kind of cataclysmal event. After speaking with more than 20 Gen Zers, my colleagues at the Survey Center on American Life and I found that among women, no event was more influential to their political development than the #MeToo movement.

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As women’s political priorities have solidified, young men’s priorities have melted into mush. Surveys consistently show that young men are far less likely than women to say any particular issue is personally important to them. A survey we conducted last year found that young women expressed statistically significant greater concern for 11 out of 15 different issues, including drug addiction, crime, climate change, and gun violence. There was not a single issue that young men cared about significantly more than young women.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-gender-gap-young-men-women-dont-agree-politics-2024-1

@MagicShel@programming.dev · edit-2 5 months ago

I suspect a whole lot of young women learned that it wasn’t abstract, but their own mothers had suffered assaults and abuse. Used to be moms didn’t talk about it at all with their kids. But during MeToo they talked about it with their daughters but not their sons. I watched it happen in my own house.

@Gork@lemm.ee · 5 months ago

It increasingly feels like Gen Z men and women are living on different planets

It’s true what they say, women are from Omicron Persei VII, and men are from Omicron Persei IX.

@PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee · 5 months ago

Not all that surprising IMO, many issues that are considered “Men’s Rights” issues are rarely used as more than just fodder for bitching and moaning, because the second anyone talks solutions, they end up moving towards feminism and dismantling patriarchy.

As for what issues could animate them that aren’t specific to manly stuff, climate change has proven to be important to Gen Z but a lot more as a looming spectre of forthcoming death rather than as a political crisis that needs and inspires action. The zoomer doomers basically see climate change the way their boomer parents see the return of Christ.

@Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world · 5 months ago

many issues that are considered “Men’s Rights” issues are rarely used as more than just fodder for bitching and moaning

I found this very demeaning. Just because bad actors are the loudest doesn’t mean the issues aren’t valid.

because the second anyone talks solutions, they end up moving towards feminism and dismantling patriarchy.

How exactly?

@PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee · 5 months ago

No ot does mean it’s not valid, because said issues are all literally just patriarchy, and yet whenever they’re discussed in the context of men’s rights it’s always in the context of just trying to make the feminists shut up about feminism because “see it’s bad for us too!” before then sitting back as if that helped anything.

Men not being able to express emotion? Patriarchy. Men having to be breadwinners? Patriarchy. Men being typecast for manual labor? Patriarchy. Men not being trusted with children? Patriarchy. Men not being believed when they speak out about DV? Patriarchy. Men being ridiculed when they act as a homemaker spouse or stay at home parent? Patriarchy.

Trying to talk about men’s rights in opposition to feminism is impossible to do in good faith because either you’re intentionally trying to shut down discussion of the actual issue at hand, toxic symptoms of patriarchal oppression, or you’re a fucking moron so incapable of seeing the issues that your participation in the discussion is an active detriment to other participants in the conversation.

Men’s rights kvetchers never discuss solutions, they just try to bring up ways patriarchy is bad for them too without acknowledging it’s patriarchy so they can tell feminists to shut up as if that addresses anything, and then sit down without proposing solutions, because any solutions would involve dismantling patriarchy, and they literally just went to all the trouble of shutting up the feminist trying to do that.

@Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world · 5 months ago

Trying to talk about men’s rights in opposition to feminism is impossible to do in good faith because either you’re intentionally trying to shut down discussion of the actual issue at hand, toxic symptoms of patriarchal oppression, or you’re a fucking moron so incapable of seeing the issues that your participation in the discussion is an active detriment to other participants in the conversation.

Yeah it’s definitely men’s fault they’re incapable of having a nuanced conversation with you…

@gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world · 5 months ago

There was not a single issue that young men cared about significantly more than young women

I bet they could change that by asking about “ethics in journalism and media,” or some such because fucking GamerGate did some severe psychological damage to a whole generation of middle school boys when they were at a vulnerable place in their development and we’re just now realizing the scope of that

@skydivekingair@lemmy.world · 5 months ago

Did you respond to the wrong question? He asked if the numbers posted showing a much larger shift from Biden in the lead to Trump now in the lead for men, preceded by the statement that there was not as much a shift in men as there was in women. Then you go on about Gen Z.

@Varyk@sh.itjust.works · edit-2 5 months ago

Yes, that’s wrong.

Biden holds a lead among all registered voters 50% to Trump’s 44%, and Trump has held a largely unchanged male-voter lead over Biden that went from 51-41 to 53-42 in favor of trump since last month

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3889

@lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee · edit-2 5 months ago

Thank you, I read sentence repeatedly trying to figure out how the numbers flip flopping was relatively unchanged and trying to figure out what I was missing.