It did take a long time for Germany to come to terms with their past.
Have they?
Germany is still controlled by the same kind of capitalists that funded the nazis to protect them from working-class revolt. Germany is still controlled by the same kind of politicians that gave up power to the nazis out of political expediency. Germany went from being a fascist state to enabling another pretty darn obvious one - Israel.
No, I think Germany has no more “come to terms with it’s past” than any other colonizer state.
But even so, that hasn’t really got to do with Germany somehow influencing Israeli
Germany aiding and abetting a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonial state has got nothing to do with this?
overreaching and attribution bias that make my eyes roll everytime.
Roll your eyes until they’re doing somersaults, Clyde… capitalism doesn’t cease working the way it works just because you find it’s thoroughly predicted outcomes inconvenient for the fairy tale you wish you were existing in.
They accepted refugees en masse, second to Sweden.
Gee… how is that whole “see no fascism, hear no fascism, speak no fascism” thing working out for you?
Israel did not start as a fascist state
Riiiiight… white supremacist settler-colonialism and fascism are totally not so intimately and indelibly linked that it’s almost impossible to tell where one starts and the other ends, eh Clyde?
It’s not as if the uber-examples of fascist states we have were all frustrated colonizers, or the fact that the most prolific sponsor of fascist terrorism in world history also happens to be the world’s most prolific neocolonialist.
Yep… pure coincidence all round, Clyde.
Israel is still far from being a fascist
Right… they can’t be fascist if you so desperately want them to be the “good guys,” right?
But Hamas derailed that at the last minute with their attack.
Oh, of course… it’s all the Palestinians’ fault, right? And if Jewish people would just have stopped with their nasty “Jewish-Bolshevism” Hitler wouldn’t have been forced into perpetrating the Holocaust, right?
What else do you have for me, apologist?
I suggest you read on Umberto Eco’s 14 characteristics of fascism instead of just throwing labels.
Oh, I’m very familiar with Eco’s little list - it’s a perfectly flawed and dangerous misunderstanding of what fascism really is. But liberals love it because Eco treats fascism as some kind of aberration to liberals’ precious little classical liberal nation-state - which is why people like you cannot recognize it when it is literally staring you in the face.
So, Germany gave aid to Israel before the invasion of Gaza
Sooooo… Germany gave aid to a white supremacist settler-colonialist state before said white supremacist settler-colonialist state did the very thing white supremacist settler-colonialist states always do?
Slavoj Zizek
Could you actually quote somebody less irrelevant?
Yes we are. The real one… not the fantasy one you were sold.
Are CDU and SDF, both parties that have ruled Germany after World War 2, far-right?
How far to the right was the German politicians that sicced the far-right on the German populace during the socialist uprisings after WW1, Clyde? You seem to be under the impression that your (so-called) “moderates” and “liberals” have never allied themselves with fascists - and that’s quite laughable because Germany is the ur-example that perfectly demonstrates what function the fascist element plays in the modern classical liberal nation-state… and why liberal political establishments keep them around.
In fact… fascists cannot gain power without the aid of (supposedly) “moderate” political establishments unlocking the gates for them. Nothing surprising about that… after all - liberals and fascists share the same end-goal… the preservation of their precious status quo.
And we know how allergic liberals are to getting their hands bloody, don’t we, Clyde?
Come back when you know more.
Oh look… the “centrist understander” thinks they have a leg to stand on. Let’s put that to the test, shall we?
Are you aware that Hamas does not mean Palestinians?
I guess Hamas only recruits Inuits and Mongolians, then?
They allowed Turkish migrants after World War 2 to fill labour shortage.
Lol! Yeah… they allowed Jewish and Slavic labor during the war, too.
Blah, blah, blah, irrelevant apologetics ad nauseum.
Centrist, do you have anything to justify your fairy tale peddling that doesn’t just exist out of the same canned and thoroughly debunked liberal bullcrap I’ve heard a thousand times before?
Lol! Are we getting a bit flustered, enlightened centrist?
Come now… be honest. What were you doing when antifa was throwing down with fascists in the streets?
Want me to take a stab at it? I’d guess you were heckling those antifascists real hard, weren’t you? After all… how dare those troublemakers invite real fascism by harrassing those totally not-neo-nazis and their police allies while they were innocently walking down the streets, eh?
Fascists can always find a use for centrists… after all - it’s pretty much proven that centrists pose no threat to them. That must be a pretty comforting thought for you.
Oh, you are absolutely correct, centrist - I cannot rebut the “see no fascism, hear no fascism, speak no fascism” fairy tale you are peddling. That is, after all, the point of this particular fairy tale, is it not?
But, as the recent collapse of the pro-Israeli propaganda consensus has demonstrated, you might find that your fairy tale convinces fewer and fewer people going forward.
I suggest you keep an eye on your copium stocks - you might need more than you think.
Have they?
Germany is still controlled by the same kind of capitalists that funded the nazis to protect them from working-class revolt. Germany is still controlled by the same kind of politicians that gave up power to the nazis out of political expediency. Germany went from being a fascist state to enabling another pretty darn obvious one - Israel.
No, I think Germany has no more “come to terms with it’s past” than any other colonizer state.
Germany aiding and abetting a genocidal white supremacist settler-colonial state has got nothing to do with this?
Nothing at all, eh?
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Roll your eyes until they’re doing somersaults, Clyde… capitalism doesn’t cease working the way it works just because you find it’s thoroughly predicted outcomes inconvenient for the fairy tale you wish you were existing in.
Are you referring to this, Clyde?
Gee… how is that whole “see no fascism, hear no fascism, speak no fascism” thing working out for you?
Riiiiight… white supremacist settler-colonialism and fascism are totally not so intimately and indelibly linked that it’s almost impossible to tell where one starts and the other ends, eh Clyde?
It’s not as if the uber-examples of fascist states we have were all frustrated colonizers, or the fact that the most prolific sponsor of fascist terrorism in world history also happens to be the world’s most prolific neocolonialist.
Yep… pure coincidence all round, Clyde.
Right… they can’t be fascist if you so desperately want them to be the “good guys,” right?
Oh, of course… it’s all the Palestinians’ fault, right? And if Jewish people would just have stopped with their nasty “Jewish-Bolshevism” Hitler wouldn’t have been forced into perpetrating the Holocaust, right?
What else do you have for me, apologist?
Oh, I’m very familiar with Eco’s little list - it’s a perfectly flawed and dangerous misunderstanding of what fascism really is. But liberals love it because Eco treats fascism as some kind of aberration to liberals’ precious little classical liberal nation-state - which is why people like you cannot recognize it when it is literally staring you in the face.
Sooooo… Germany gave aid to a white supremacist settler-colonialist state before said white supremacist settler-colonialist state did the very thing white supremacist settler-colonialist states always do?
Could you actually quote somebody less irrelevant?
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Yes we are. The real one… not the fantasy one you were sold.
How far to the right was the German politicians that sicced the far-right on the German populace during the socialist uprisings after WW1, Clyde? You seem to be under the impression that your (so-called) “moderates” and “liberals” have never allied themselves with fascists - and that’s quite laughable because Germany is the ur-example that perfectly demonstrates what function the fascist element plays in the modern classical liberal nation-state… and why liberal political establishments keep them around.
In fact… fascists cannot gain power without the aid of (supposedly) “moderate” political establishments unlocking the gates for them. Nothing surprising about that… after all - liberals and fascists share the same end-goal… the preservation of their precious status quo.
And we know how allergic liberals are to getting their hands bloody, don’t we, Clyde?
Oh look… the “centrist understander” thinks they have a leg to stand on. Let’s put that to the test, shall we?
I guess Hamas only recruits Inuits and Mongolians, then?
Lol! Yeah… they allowed Jewish and Slavic labor during the war, too.
Centrist, do you have anything to justify your fairy tale peddling that doesn’t just exist out of the same canned and thoroughly debunked liberal bullcrap I’ve heard a thousand times before?
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Lol! Are we getting a bit flustered, enlightened centrist?
Come now… be honest. What were you doing when antifa was throwing down with fascists in the streets?
Want me to take a stab at it? I’d guess you were heckling those antifascists real hard, weren’t you? After all… how dare those troublemakers invite real fascism by harrassing those totally not-neo-nazis and their police allies while they were innocently walking down the streets, eh?
Fascists can always find a use for centrists… after all - it’s pretty much proven that centrists pose no threat to them. That must be a pretty comforting thought for you.
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Oh, you are absolutely correct, centrist - I cannot rebut the “see no fascism, hear no fascism, speak no fascism” fairy tale you are peddling. That is, after all, the point of this particular fairy tale, is it not?
But, as the recent collapse of the pro-Israeli propaganda consensus has demonstrated, you might find that your fairy tale convinces fewer and fewer people going forward.
I suggest you keep an eye on your copium stocks - you might need more than you think.