“We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not.”

That’s gotta be one of the strangest reasonings I’ve heard in a while.

    • Absolutely shocked that Muslim fundies hate most of the same people Christian fundies do, yet are too stupid to realize the leopard will come for them eventually.

      Shocked I say.

    • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      227 months ago

      In the little exerpt included in with the submission, a spokesman makes it clear that they would be worse off in the short run if trump gets elected, but they are thinking long term.

      And this comment is implying they are pro trump…and it’s the highest voted comment? What’s going on here?

        • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          107 months ago

          Religious people making bad decisions doesn’t preclude people here from not being bright enough to read an excerpt that is right in front of them so they won’t be terribly wrong on what they think is a ridiculous position.

      • floppade [he/him]
        link
        fedilink
        6
        edit-2
        7 months ago

        A lot of people feel justified in not actually listening to others and judging them from afar as what is happening. They feel justified in doing this for very specific reasons.

      • @ToastedPlanet
        link
        English
        57 months ago

        We live in a two party system. If you form a coalition to make Biden lose, then you’re making Trump win. They’re pro-Trump because they’re helping Trump. What’s going on is a fascist takeover of our country. We aren’t giving slack to anyone who enables fascism. The fascists will kill more people not less. This is bad short term thinking and bad long term thinking. The reward for helping fascists is death.

        • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          37 months ago

          I agree with you it’s a dumb move. But dear God, they’re literally telling you, almost explicitly, that they don’t support the trump (basically supporting noone in the up coming election) and you’re still desperately torturing logic and twisting words to deny it. Is it really so hard for you to accept reality? Is it really so hard for you to accept that things are not so black and white?

          • @ToastedPlanet
            link
            English
            27 months ago

            It is that black and white. We live in a two party system, that’s reality. It’s not twisting words, it’s math. If one candidate doesn’t win, the other candidate does. Republicans are overrepresented by the electoral college, not voting helps them win. The support may be inadvertent, but it’s still support. They can say they don’t support Trump all they want. If they don’t vote for Biden, they are supporting Trump.

            • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              17 months ago

              The support may be inadvertent, but it’s still support.

              Using this tortured logic, if one doesn’t move to a swing state, even if they support and vote for Biden, their non action inadvertently helps trump get elected, so they actually support Trump.

              It’s painfully dumb.

              • @ToastedPlanet
                link
                English
                17 months ago

                Republicans typically represent rural communities with low populations and high surface area. The electoral college votes are allocated to states based on the number of senators and representatives. Both of these are in turn skewed in favor of Republicans as each state gets two senators no matter what and the total number of house seats is capped at 435. Since neither chamber is properly apportioned by population, Republicans are overrepresented in both chambers.

                Using this tortured logic, if one doesn’t move to a swing state, even if they support and vote for Biden, their non action inadvertently helps trump get elected, so they actually support Trump.

                No one knows for sure which states are swing states until it’s too late. Remember the blue wall in 2016? Not enough democrat voters showed up and what were supposedly blue states went to Trump.

                If a person doesn’t vote in an election then they are helping Republicans. If a person doesn’t vote for Biden then they are helping Trump.

                A person doesn’t have to declare their undying loyalty to a candidate in order to support them. Making the other guy lose the election is sufficient. Your argument is splitting hairs.

                • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  17 months ago

                  No one knows for sure which states are swing states until it’s too late. Remember the blue wall in 2016? Not enough democrat voters showed up and what were supposedly blue states went to Trump.

                  Trump didn’t win any blue states, he won most of the swing states. And we also knew these were the close states, and we know which states are likely to be close again. This idea that “well, we plumb just don’t know what will be close states” is pretty much nonsense.

                  This is a dumb argument used to totally miss the point.

                  If a person doesn’t vote in an election then they are helping Republicans.

                  What if that person had voted, they would have voted for Trump? That voter is now hurting Trump’s chances, but according to this big-brain logic, that voter is actually helping Trump! lol.

                  And a person who doesn’t vote in a swing state is also helping Trump, despite the fact that they might have even voted for Biden. So, again, according to your logic, you can support and vote for Biden and still be a Trump supporter.

                  Your argument is splitting hairs.

                  You literally just argued “well, we don’t know for sure which are going to be swing states!” in an attempt to take down my point, and you’re accusing me of splitting hairs by pointing out that not supporting Biden does not mean you support Trump. Holy shit, this is hilarious. Do you even think about what you write down?

                  • @ToastedPlanet
                    link
                    English
                    17 months ago

                    Trump didn’t win any blue states, he won most of the swing states. And we also knew these were the close states, and we know which states are likely to be close again. This idea that “well, we plumb just don’t know what will be close states” is pretty much nonsense.

                    This is a dumb argument used to totally miss the point.

                    We didn’t know they were swing states at the time. Some people suspected, but most people were surprised when the blue wall fell. It’s not missing the point. If enough Democratic voters don’t vote in any state, Republicans win, because Republicans win with low voter turn out. Apathy is how fascism wins.

                    Also, these people are planning on not voting in states that they believe are swing states, so your argument’s tangent misses the point.

                    Muslim Americans in swing states launch anti-Biden campaign

                    What if that person had voted, they would have voted for Trump? That voter is now hurting Trump’s chances, but according to this big-brain logic, that voter is actually helping Trump! lol.

                    Again.

                    Muslim Americans in swing states launch anti-Biden campaign

                    Muslim Americans have already been targeted as scapegoats with Trump’s travel ban which targeted Middle Eastern countries. So they probably weren’t planning on voting Trump. Regardless, if a hard core Trump supporter doesn’t vote then that is a detriment to Trump. But hard core Trump voters aren’t typical voters. While this is a generalization, people living in cities tend to vote blue and the majority of people live in or near cities. So if more people voted, Democrats should do better in elections.

                    You literally just argued “well, we don’t know for sure which are going to be swing states!” in an attempt to take down my point, and you’re accusing me of splitting hairs by pointing out that not supporting Biden does not mean you support Trump. Holy shit, this is hilarious. Do you even think about what you write down?

                    We never know the results of elections before hand, so we don’t know which states will be swing states in future elections. We know which states were swings states before, but voter turn out has been the greatest deciding factor in the last two presidential elections. So we need to call out the people who are threatening not to vote in historic swing states. But we also need to call out voters in historic non-swing states because those states could become swing states in the next election.

                    …not supporting Biden does not mean you support Trump.

                    We live in a two party system. If Biden loses then Trump wins. By not supporting Biden, they are supporting Trump.

                    Do you even think about what you write down?

                    I am not relevant to the topic of discussion.

    • GodlessCommie
      link
      fedilink
      147 months ago

      Liberals love speculating what MIGHT happen, while ignoring what is actually happening.

      • @CADmonkey@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        137 months ago

        So, what were trumps worda about muslims when he was president? Since youre concerned with what actually happened.

        • GodlessCommie
          link
          fedilink
          127 months ago

          Still better then genocide. You and your fellow cohorts would be in an uproar if the exact same thing was happening if a republican was in the WH. You don’t care about people’s lives, only the one doing the killing

          • @shitescalates@midwest.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            137 months ago

            If supporting Israel is supporting genocide than Trump supports that too. Trump is one of Netanyahus strongest supporters, LOL.

            • GodlessCommie
              link
              fedilink
              117 months ago

              I said nothing about supporting trump, I said oppose Biden. But Biden does happen to be the largest recipient of JStreet money

                • GodlessCommie
                  link
                  fedilink
                  97 months ago

                  Instead of voters punching left, they should be making demands of the DNC to replace Biden.

                  • @Telorand@reddthat.com
                    link
                    fedilink
                    67 months ago

                    How do you plan to convince people to do that? What strategy would you employ?

                    Talk is cheap. Idealogues like you are glib to demand change, but y’all never have a viable plan to get there.

          • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            117 months ago

            You and your fellow cohorts would be in an uproar if the exact same thing was happening if a republican was in the WH.

            You’re making it obvious that you have a double-standard and are simply projecting that.

            • GodlessCommie
              link
              fedilink
              87 months ago

              There’s no double standard, your comment makes the assumption I advocate for a Republican

              • @EatATaco@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                English
                77 months ago

                There’s no double standard, your comment makes the assumption I advocate for a Republican

                I made no such assumption. But considering how quickly you jumped on this despite me not saying, it’s clear how much you were intentionally baiting it.

                Projecting and not arguing in good faith. Probably should be obvious from your name that you’re just a bad troll.

          • @CADmonkey@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            87 months ago

            “Me and my cohorts” you seem to know who I am. Why dont you tell me about myself, and I can explain a “false dichotomy” to you.

        • GodlessCommie
          link
          fedilink
          57 months ago

          I’m self aware and aware of harm around me. Your party and Republicans contribute the most harm to society

          • @Rhoeri@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            97 months ago

            Ahhh… you’re one one of those “bOtH siDeZ!” kids I’ve heard about.

            Carry on with your rhetoric.

            • GodlessCommie
              link
              fedilink
              English
              4
              edit-2
              7 months ago

              Not both sides because they are both on one side, and its not ours. What is it with liberals that love to infantilize while remaining smug and arrogant, does it make them feel intellectually superior? From the left its hard to tell a liberal from a republican.