Free speech is speech that is protected from government regulation or persecution. This is a private platform, and therefore Nazis and their speech can fuck right off.
So yeah, they are absolutely to spew their hateful speech without legal repercussions, but we absolutely do not have to let them do so here.
Their speech hinders the speech of others, particularly the minorities they are violent against. Therefore, allowing them to have a platform goes against free speech. Your right to swing your fist ends at my face.
What you guys over the pond really should learn sometime soon is that free speech doesn’t mean that you can spew any random vile bullshit without repercussions.
In the Fediverse those repercussions are that your audience will be limited to the instance you chose, which honestly considering the content we are talking about is really mild.
Some of the stuff I’ve seen would definitely be illegal in Germany and Austria, and trust me, we have more experience with Nazis than we ever wanted. We have laws in place to at least try to prevent the resurgence of Nazis and this also affects servers like lemmy.world that are hosted at Hetzner in Germany I believe. Not defederating from these people could cause legal repercussions for the server owner and it’s just not worth it, considering the content we are talking about.
I think this reinforces their point. While it’s certainly an extremist group, many of them don’t explicitly identify as Nazis. They are something else that have ideologies that may overlap with Nazis, but it’s incorrect to call all of them Nazis.
It’s important to be accurate and reasonable in these cases. If a group that disagrees with another group makes a claim that is not realistic or simply incorrect, then it makes them less credible, and that weakens their voice.
Additionally, the Nazi party did some nasty, nasty things. If these people are called the literal title of Nazis, then it dilutes the true evil from the history of the real Nazis. You can say they have Nazi-influenced ideologies, or you could call them fascists, but Nazi is a very specific thing.
By the way, Putin overreached the definition of Nazis as a deciding factor in his initial speech about invading Ukraine. I won’t make any commentary on this. Just think about that.
Nazism is a process, and they’re in the early stages trying to progress. How far along until I’m allowed to call them what they are?
Is calling an early-caught tumor cancer diluting the word cancer for terminal stages? Fundamentally they are the same, but one is further along in being bad.
some of you need to stop calling everything you don’t like a nazi
Pretty bold comment considering many of the people are actual swastika-waving Nazis. Stop defending them.
I’ll defend anyone’s right to free speech. Doesn’t mean I agree with them.
Free speech is speech that is protected from government regulation or persecution. This is a private platform, and therefore Nazis and their speech can fuck right off.
So yeah, they are absolutely to spew their hateful speech without legal repercussions, but we absolutely do not have to let them do so here.
Preach my man
Their free speech is not being violated, just access to a captive audience.
Their speech hinders the speech of others, particularly the minorities they are violent against. Therefore, allowing them to have a platform goes against free speech. Your right to swing your fist ends at my face.
What you guys over the pond really should learn sometime soon is that free speech doesn’t mean that you can spew any random vile bullshit without repercussions.
In the Fediverse those repercussions are that your audience will be limited to the instance you chose, which honestly considering the content we are talking about is really mild.
Some of the stuff I’ve seen would definitely be illegal in Germany and Austria, and trust me, we have more experience with Nazis than we ever wanted. We have laws in place to at least try to prevent the resurgence of Nazis and this also affects servers like lemmy.world that are hosted at Hetzner in Germany I believe. Not defederating from these people could cause legal repercussions for the server owner and it’s just not worth it, considering the content we are talking about.
i don’t think any of you have so much as peeked over there
Oh I have, actually, and I got to see endless slurs, nazi propaganda images, people calling for the death of minorities, and more. But go off
What if I don’t like Nazis?
what a weird thing to say
Some of you need to get away from the Nazis before they start burning.
oh i’m sorry… you’re actually a patriot and january 6th was a peaceful protest.
I think this reinforces their point. While it’s certainly an extremist group, many of them don’t explicitly identify as Nazis. They are something else that have ideologies that may overlap with Nazis, but it’s incorrect to call all of them Nazis.
It’s important to be accurate and reasonable in these cases. If a group that disagrees with another group makes a claim that is not realistic or simply incorrect, then it makes them less credible, and that weakens their voice.
Additionally, the Nazi party did some nasty, nasty things. If these people are called the literal title of Nazis, then it dilutes the true evil from the history of the real Nazis. You can say they have Nazi-influenced ideologies, or you could call them fascists, but Nazi is a very specific thing.
By the way, Putin overreached the definition of Nazis as a deciding factor in his initial speech about invading Ukraine. I won’t make any commentary on this. Just think about that.
Nazism is a process, and they’re in the early stages trying to progress. How far along until I’m allowed to call them what they are?
Is calling an early-caught tumor cancer diluting the word cancer for terminal stages? Fundamentally they are the same, but one is further along in being bad.
Consider this-the majority of people aren’t using it incorrectly , just to describe people you like?
B-but my disagreement is big! They’re clearly fascists.
Okay, we’ll call it “woke” instead.