You’re missing the point. At a right turn, traffic is coming from the left and pedestrians are coming from the right. You focus left to make sure traffic is clear and then go, meanwhile a pedestrian has entered the intersection from the right and you don’t notice them.
I can conservatively say that 99% of the time I approach an intersection, I see all potential pedestrian crossers long before I’ve come to a stop, including those on the other side of the street planning to cross towards me. Pedestrians rarely appear out of nowhere, so looking left but not looking right is a poor excuse.
99% of the time I approach an intersection, I see all potential pedestrian crossers
If you make 50 car trips a month and encounter four intersections, then you don’t see two pedestrians a month. That’s probably pretty accurate. Most of the time, most drivers and most pedestrians are aware, and behave safely.
are bicyclists on the road? you should be able to see them same as a car
poor visibility of sight lanes is a different issue all together and should result on a no right turn on red sign, I have one I drive through daily due to a hill on the left
real cause is larger trucks and suvs mean most people can’t see the road in front of them
What people “should” do and what people actually do are two very separate concepts. Most days I ride a large motorcycle with giant panniers on it, covered by reflective shit and wearing high-viz clothing. Drivers look right at me and still don’t see me, because their stupid little brains are not trained to process anything smaller than an oncoming SUV.
Where I live we have a lot of separated bike lanes where most cities have sidewalks. So yes there are bikes on what you incorrectly identified as a sidewalk .
All competent bikers ride on the road. Children and elderly and beginners ride on the sidewalk. The sidewalk is actually more dangerous because of driveways. I never see cars check before zooming straight into the street. I had commuted by bike for nearly 20 years, been hit by cars 4 times and nearly wiped out countless other times. I don’t understand why cars have more rights than pedestrians and bicyclists on the road. Whatever protects pedestrians more should be automatically applied.
All I hear in your excuses is, “I don’t pay attention to my surroundings until I arrive at a crossing”. Sorry but I think you’re the danger on the road based on this.
Me. The person you responded to was me. And I didn’t “literally say I was infallible”, i truly think you’re a moron now, and I hope you pay more attention to the road than you do to this conversation.
You think pedestrians are hiding in bushes waiting to jump out?
In a densely populated city with lots of foot traffic? Sure, ban right on red, too many cars in cities to begin with.
But lots of cities have spent decades expanding and there’s hardly anyone walking once you’re a couple miles from downtown except for certain areas. Same for small towns.
Making it all legal one way or the other in a state just makes zero sense.
What’s wrong with just putting up a sign by the light if it’s not allowed?
The problem is it isn’t zero pedestrians, it is slightly more than zero so driversquit looking as it seems there never are any and then the exception happens and they didn’t look.
And at green lights, you don’t even stop to look for pedestrians. You look while in motion. I’d figure that would actually be the less safe situation. Are there studies either way?
You’re missing the point. At a right turn, traffic is coming from the left and pedestrians are coming from the right. You focus left to make sure traffic is clear and then go, meanwhile a pedestrian has entered the intersection from the right and you don’t notice them.
You stop. Look left. Then look where you’re going then go. If you look left and drive without looking right, you’re fucking up.
I can conservatively say that 99% of the time I approach an intersection, I see all potential pedestrian crossers long before I’ve come to a stop, including those on the other side of the street planning to cross towards me. Pedestrians rarely appear out of nowhere, so looking left but not looking right is a poor excuse.
If you make 50 car trips a month and encounter four intersections, then you don’t see two pedestrians a month. That’s probably pretty accurate. Most of the time, most drivers and most pedestrians are aware, and behave safely.
Pedestrians and drivers die during that 1%.
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are bicyclists on the road? you should be able to see them same as a car
poor visibility of sight lanes is a different issue all together and should result on a no right turn on red sign, I have one I drive through daily due to a hill on the left
real cause is larger trucks and suvs mean most people can’t see the road in front of them
What people “should” do and what people actually do are two very separate concepts. Most days I ride a large motorcycle with giant panniers on it, covered by reflective shit and wearing high-viz clothing. Drivers look right at me and still don’t see me, because their stupid little brains are not trained to process anything smaller than an oncoming SUV.
Where I live we have a lot of separated bike lanes where most cities have sidewalks. So yes there are bikes on what you incorrectly identified as a sidewalk .
I’ve seen those before, not a fan given how poorly they are marked
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All competent bikers ride on the road. Children and elderly and beginners ride on the sidewalk. The sidewalk is actually more dangerous because of driveways. I never see cars check before zooming straight into the street. I had commuted by bike for nearly 20 years, been hit by cars 4 times and nearly wiped out countless other times. I don’t understand why cars have more rights than pedestrians and bicyclists on the road. Whatever protects pedestrians more should be automatically applied.
All I hear in your excuses is, “I don’t pay attention to my surroundings until I arrive at a crossing”. Sorry but I think you’re the danger on the road based on this.
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Me. The person you responded to was me. And I didn’t “literally say I was infallible”, i truly think you’re a moron now, and I hope you pay more attention to the road than you do to this conversation.
Cyclists should not be coming from the right (unless it’s a two-way bike lane on one sided but I’ve only ever seen those on a one-way).
You think pedestrians are hiding in bushes waiting to jump out?
In a densely populated city with lots of foot traffic? Sure, ban right on red, too many cars in cities to begin with.
But lots of cities have spent decades expanding and there’s hardly anyone walking once you’re a couple miles from downtown except for certain areas. Same for small towns.
Making it all legal one way or the other in a state just makes zero sense.
What’s wrong with just putting up a sign by the light if it’s not allowed?
The problem is it isn’t zero pedestrians, it is slightly more than zero so driversquit looking as it seems there never are any and then the exception happens and they didn’t look.
And at green lights, you don’t even stop to look for pedestrians. You look while in motion. I’d figure that would actually be the less safe situation. Are there studies either way?