• @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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    39 months ago

    Yes. The theme is your inability to understand stats. If cars, which are more readily available than guns are able to cause more damage every shooter would go for that but reality is guns are easier. Sure, if they’re determined they will find a way, but people tend to go for the easiest path. Deterrents tend to slow the process as studies have shown. That’s why looking at stats is so useful for understanding circumstances and deterrents. That’s if you really wanted to have an unbiased honest conversation.

    Waco is not serving your argument. Firstly, the military was not involved. Second, we’re talking 4 ATF agents lost compared to 76 adults. Soooo…I don’t see the relevance. The Xbox gravy seals is not going to live up to it’s expectations. Shit, is proud boys the best example of the 2a crowd because they look like they can’t run a mile either (that’s must my opinion though, maybe the photos are deceiving).

    • @helenslunch@feddit.nl
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      The theme is your inability to understand stats.

      …what stats? You mean stats of the most successful mass murders? I think that belongs to trucks and planes.

      If cars, which are more readily available than guns are able to cause more damage every shooter would go for that but reality is guns are easier.

      Guns are just what they see on TV. Lots of people use cars, bombs or whatever else. In the case of France they didn’t have guns, but it obviously didn’t stop them.

      Waco is not serving your argument. Firstly, the military was not involved.

      Uuuuhhh but that WAS my argument…

      Second, we’re talking 4 ATF agents lost compared to 76 adults

      It doesn’t matter. No one is keeping score. The point is they stood up for themselves and gave the ATF a fuckin’ helluva time. Wanna take a poll on how many armed citizens there are vs. ATF agents? Or even the entirety of the US military?

      • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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        29 months ago

        Yea the military was never involved. So it has nothing to do with my initial point. Buck and Chuck are not taking down the US army. I don’t know why we got sidetracked with it.

          • @Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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            28 months ago

            The phone is ringing, it’s for you. Sounds like some miners in West Virginia from 1921 would like to talk to you.

          • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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            28 months ago

            You’re so confident. Why? Even after I showed you ATF agents alone can suppress an insurrection before we even bring in armed guards.

            • @helenslunch@feddit.nl
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              You’re so confident. Why?

              Why wouldn’t I be?

              Even after I showed you ATF agents alone can suppress an insurrection

              LOL you’re talking about a handful of looney cultists. I’m talking about a revolution.

              You’re still so confident despite having 0 counter-arguments

          • Franzia
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            28 months ago

            WACO negotiations took 53 days, but MOVE was given a day to leave before two bombs were dropped in the middle of rowhouses in Philadelphia 😂 arming yourself to discourage the government works way better when the government is already favorable to your cause.