So, since I’m trans, am I allowed to say that instituting a law where we jail people over saying something rude seems awful to me.
Maybe it’s just because I’m an American, used to our constitutionally protected freedom of speech. But I think the ramifications for an average person misgendering someone should probably be limited to social ramifications rather than government ordained punitive ones.
Now if it’s a doctor or government employee or something there’s a discussion to be had.
You’re allowed to be wrong, but at least your nose and partially your business. She isn’t going to pick you, though. There is a high probability that’s a snootier reply than you perhaps deserve. Not in the best place today. I don’t retract it by I turn the volume down.
Not that I think anyone should be in jail for anything ever, but intentional rebuke of a trans person’s gender should result in a severe assbeating and social censure.
“She isn’t going to pick you” lol as far as I’m concerned JK Rowling can die in a fucking fire. Harry Potter is ass anyway. You’re just angry that there are people out there who don’t want to see people arrested over non-crimes.
I’m more perturbed people unaffected by her fuckshit deign chime in to say her bullshit hypothetical “…would be terrible, to be fair” as if it’s a thing or she and her worldview need defending. As though the people who need to speak up about how everyone’s a perfect right to be a bigot are the ones unaffected by that bigotry.
You, I’m more annoyed at for encouraging them. They’ll never learn to channel their Birbiglia that way.
Still, I’ve no quarrel with you.
This whole thing hasn’t even been about what is or isn’t true, but who should and should not shut the fuck up and when.
This whole chain started because someone mentioned they’d hate to live in a jurisdiction that arrested people for misgendering someone. I’m inclined to agree.
Whether or not you feel people are justified in holding their views has ZERO bearing here. It’s quite telling how you think you’re the arbitrator on who and who does not get a say.
And to be clear, fuck bigots and bigotry. I hate ‘em all. Hope they all die painful deaths. I just don’t want governments that don’t already have it to suddenly gain the authority to arrest based on offending people, because it doesn’t take too long before that starts getting abused by the exact type of people who fuck over people like me regularly.
How am I in any way defending her. Because I say living in a police state would be worse. If I say having radiation sickness would be worse is it to much. Nothing is worse than the gender thing? I think I get what your asking. Not in a long time but plenty when I was young. You have to remember though that in those days it was totally common for gym teachers to refer to boys in girl terms I think because they thought it would motivate them or some shit. So not just jerk kids.
No. Being human qualifies me to remark on another remark another human made. My comment isn’t even about trasnphobia as I have said like a million times. Its that she makes this delusional thing about being put in jail for speech which is a way worse situation. And yes that end part im making a qualification on how bad transphobia might be but I don’t need some sort of degree to have an opinion on human nature. I am a human. Anyway I will take having my sex misidentified constantly over living in a non free state. What is wrong with you that you would think thats a better situation?!
So fine. I will remember that when political issues come up. Sorry im not taking any trans related issues because FfaerieOxide feels Im not qualified on the issue. So barring that I would vote for this guy and since I can’t take it into account not to vote for him. Man I feel so bad for all of them going to the gulag but what can I do as im not qualified on this issue and I certainly would not want to overstep my bounds.
You sure do put alot of effort into defending hatemongers.
At any point here you could have shut the fuck up but you keep deciding JK needs your backing.
Nah, how often does the kind of dehumanization she’s gleefully defending hit you?
This thing you’re so confident you want to defend to the death her right or whatever…
…how often does the thing you are opining on harm you?
So, since I’m trans, am I allowed to say that instituting a law where we jail people over saying something rude seems awful to me.
Maybe it’s just because I’m an American, used to our constitutionally protected freedom of speech. But I think the ramifications for an average person misgendering someone should probably be limited to social ramifications rather than government ordained punitive ones.
Now if it’s a doctor or government employee or something there’s a discussion to be had.
You’re allowed to be wrong, but at least your nose and partially your business. She isn’t going to pick you, though.There is a high probability that’s a snootier reply than you perhaps deserve. Not in the best place today. I don’t retract it by I turn the volume down.
Not that I think anyone should be in jail for anything ever, but intentional rebuke of a trans person’s gender should result in a severe assbeating and social censure.
“She isn’t going to pick you” lol as far as I’m concerned JK Rowling can die in a fucking fire. Harry Potter is ass anyway. You’re just angry that there are people out there who don’t want to see people arrested over non-crimes.
I’m more perturbed people unaffected by her fuckshit deign chime in to say her bullshit hypothetical “…would be terrible, to be fair” as if it’s a thing or she and her worldview need defending. As though the people who need to speak up about how everyone’s a perfect right to be a bigot are the ones unaffected by that bigotry.
You, I’m more annoyed at for encouraging them. They’ll never learn to channel their Birbiglia that way.
Still, I’ve no quarrel with you.
This whole thing hasn’t even been about what is or isn’t true, but who should and should not shut the fuck up and when.
This whole chain started because someone mentioned they’d hate to live in a jurisdiction that arrested people for misgendering someone. I’m inclined to agree.
Whether or not you feel people are justified in holding their views has ZERO bearing here. It’s quite telling how you think you’re the arbitrator on who and who does not get a say.
And to be clear, fuck bigots and bigotry. I hate ‘em all. Hope they all die painful deaths. I just don’t want governments that don’t already have it to suddenly gain the authority to arrest based on offending people, because it doesn’t take too long before that starts getting abused by the exact type of people who fuck over people like me regularly.
Cis people still don’t need to be saying how important it is for other cis people to be free to misgender trans people.
They should do that other thing: shutting the fuck up.
If you can ONLY see this issue in the light of whether or not people can misgender trans people, you’re already engaging in bad faith.
We’ve been over this:
This is not about who should or should not misgender trans people (the answer is “no one” but, again, that is not what any of this is about).
This is about who has moral authority to get all West Wing about a group-they-are-not-part-of’s oppression.
How am I in any way defending her. Because I say living in a police state would be worse. If I say having radiation sickness would be worse is it to much. Nothing is worse than the gender thing? I think I get what your asking. Not in a long time but plenty when I was young. You have to remember though that in those days it was totally common for gym teachers to refer to boys in girl terms I think because they thought it would motivate them or some shit. So not just jerk kids.
And you feel that qualifies you to speak about what should and should not be done in response to transphobia, does it?
No. Being human qualifies me to remark on another remark another human made. My comment isn’t even about trasnphobia as I have said like a million times. Its that she makes this delusional thing about being put in jail for speech which is a way worse situation. And yes that end part im making a qualification on how bad transphobia might be but I don’t need some sort of degree to have an opinion on human nature. I am a human. Anyway I will take having my sex misidentified constantly over living in a non free state. What is wrong with you that you would think thats a better situation?!
You sure do know alot about the proper way to respond to an oppression you don’t experience. Very impressive, that.
So fine. I will remember that when political issues come up. Sorry im not taking any trans related issues because FfaerieOxide feels Im not qualified on the issue. So barring that I would vote for this guy and since I can’t take it into account not to vote for him. Man I feel so bad for all of them going to the gulag but what can I do as im not qualified on this issue and I certainly would not want to overstep my bounds.
Look. When you start jailing people for being rude as fuck, it’s a problem.
There is zero requirement to be a target for trans hate to know that. Don’t be a jackass
You’re so kind to defend the racist billionaire’s right to dehumanize people. Where would she be without you looking after her interests?
Really? Are you that bad of a troll that you can’t come up with something better than that?
You sure do put alot of effort into defending hatemongers.
At any point here you could have shut the fuck up but you keep deciding JK needs your backing.