Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas, loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women, in France’s state-run schools, the education minister has said.

The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.

France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.

Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.

  • @daellat@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Playing the advocate of the devil: the reason given is clearly stated as not being about being forced to wear anything, but about a general ban on religious signs in state schools. For example I imagine wearing a Christian cross around your neck is also banned.

      • @daellat@lemmy.world
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        810 months ago

        Yeah, I simply stated what reason was given for the ban by the minister, which the comment above me seems to have read over.

        • @afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
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          610 months ago

          Why are government officials all-powerful and all-weak at the same time? Funny how that works. The law is dumb, problematic, impossible to enforce? Hands are tied. The law makes sense and easy to perform? Selectively enforced if at all.

    • @hungryphrog
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      Still, schools shouldn’t be able to dictate how people can dress as long as they cover their genitals and their clothes aren’t dangerous.

    • @tsonfeir@lemm.ee
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      10 months ago

      I seriously doubt it. And I’m sure if it is, no one enforces it.

      Edit: y’all can vote me down all day, but the law says “ostentacious religious insignia,” and I’m sure a little cross has been overlooked many times.

      • nicktron
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        It is 100% banned. Any religious apparel or trinkets are banned.

        • @SulaymanF@lemmy.world
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          1510 months ago

          No it isn’t. The 2004 law banned “large” crosses and allowed small ones but banned ALL hijabs.

          It was never equally enforced.

      • RobotDrZaius
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        Maybe you should be less confident about things you don’t know. In this particular regard, the French are quite consistent.

        • @tsonfeir@lemm.ee
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          310 months ago

          ostentacious religious insignia

          That’s the law. That’s pretty vague. So, I’m pretty confident not everyone is enforcing a tiny cross necklace.

          • @mothersprotege@lemm.ee
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            210 months ago

            If you’re going to copy and paste something several times, and are representing it as a quotation from law, maybe spell-check it? Also, I think there are good arguments to be made on both sides of this issue, but comparing an inconspicuous piece of jewelry to an abaya seems disingenuous. If small crosses were allowed, but small star and crescents weren’t, that would obviously be wrong.

            • @tsonfeir@lemm.ee
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              210 months ago

              It’s a quote. It’s copy and paste. If someone spelled it wrong, it’s not me.

              Either way. If a tiny cross is allowed and a tiny star is not, that’s bad.

              No symbols should be allowed of any kind. 🤷‍♂️

              I wonder how they handle tattoos.

    • @AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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      1110 months ago

      Yep. Yarmulkes are also banned, and I wouldn’t be able to wander around the school with my 9 pointed star necklace or ring, even though NO ONE knows what they mean.