Anti-Muslim =/= Anti-Islam. If you instinctively react to criticism of Islam in a way that you don’t react to criticism of Christianity, you likely have a bias that you may want to check out. Broad criticisms against Muslims and/or Arabs is hate speech, and in certain cases, racism; criticizing Islam is as necessary for any society that wants to get rid of moral dogma as it is criticizing any other major religion.
I agree with your first two points, but I think that the third one denotes lack of nuance.
Take a look at this thread. There are plenty of well reasoned anti-religion arguments that are found to be controversial (looking at the upvote/downvote proportion) to a degree that you aren’t going to see in a post where the object of criticism or mockery is Christian. The meme itself isn’t the epitome of comedy, but it’s close to the average to the channel; the essence of its criticism is correct and the target is religious figures, so I think my narrative explains that situation better.
This doesn’t mean there aren’t also people here who are motivated by bigotry, which we should shut down. In fact, I think that a lot of well meaning progressives instinctively suspect that, which is why they become overzealous at the minimum suspicion of racism, but take it to the worrying extreme of being suspicious of criticisms that they’d agree with if they were directed at the religions they grew up with.
Yeah, that “gentleman that he was” comment was A-tier sarcasm – vicious and beautiful. I wouldn’t be surprised if the 14 downvotes were just people concerned that a burn like that would speed up global warming.
That last bit was a joke, but the rest was true: it was a well-researched, incisive comment and did not deserve the downvotes it got.
I can see why there would be a danger here. If it wasn’t for the 64 upvotes, a deconverting Muslim might find this and feel like criticism of their “prophet” was somehow off-limits. They should always feel like they can come here and trash their religion just like we trash ours. It should never feel off-limits.
Although… now that I’m trying to imagine how it must look through the eyes of a deconverting Muslim, I’m very sorry, but I badly need to go on a rant now.
“Religion is shit and creates abuse.” - Woke
“SPECIFIC RELIGION is shit and creates abuse. All hail MY GOD OF CHOICE!” - Yes, that’s hate speech. That’s just what it is.
If you have an issue with that, maybe try broadening your horizons on what shit is.
Anti-Muslim =/= Anti-Islam. If you instinctively react to criticism of Islam in a way that you don’t react to criticism of Christianity, you likely have a bias that you may want to check out. Broad criticisms against Muslims and/or Arabs is hate speech, and in certain cases, racism; criticizing Islam is as necessary for any society that wants to get rid of moral dogma as it is criticizing any other major religion.
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I agree with your first two points, but I think that the third one denotes lack of nuance.
Take a look at this thread. There are plenty of well reasoned anti-religion arguments that are found to be controversial (looking at the upvote/downvote proportion) to a degree that you aren’t going to see in a post where the object of criticism or mockery is Christian. The meme itself isn’t the epitome of comedy, but it’s close to the average to the channel; the essence of its criticism is correct and the target is religious figures, so I think my narrative explains that situation better.
This doesn’t mean there aren’t also people here who are motivated by bigotry, which we should shut down. In fact, I think that a lot of well meaning progressives instinctively suspect that, which is why they become overzealous at the minimum suspicion of racism, but take it to the worrying extreme of being suspicious of criticisms that they’d agree with if they were directed at the religions they grew up with.
Yeah, that “gentleman that he was” comment was A-tier sarcasm – vicious and beautiful. I wouldn’t be surprised if the 14 downvotes were just people concerned that a burn like that would speed up global warming.
That last bit was a joke, but the rest was true: it was a well-researched, incisive comment and did not deserve the downvotes it got.
I can see why there would be a danger here. If it wasn’t for the 64 upvotes, a deconverting Muslim might find this and feel like criticism of their “prophet” was somehow off-limits. They should always feel like they can come here and trash their religion just like we trash ours. It should never feel off-limits.
Although… now that I’m trying to imagine how it must look through the eyes of a deconverting Muslim, I’m very sorry, but I badly need to go on a rant now.
Okay. Rant over.
“Religion is shit and creates abuse.” - Woke “SPECIFIC RELIGION is shit and creates abuse. All hail MY GOD OF CHOICE!” - Yes, that’s hate speech. That’s just what it is.
If you have an issue with that, maybe try broadening your horizons on what shit is.