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  • WhoRoger@lemmy.worldOPtoMemes@lemmy.mlBegun, the format war has
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    1 year ago

    Unfortunately there are lots of jpegs resaved or screenshotted to png out there, so that doesn’t help if you don’t know the history of the file.

    Heck, there are even lots such pngs with their extension changed to jpg, which you might not notice unless you check for details or your image viewer differentiates between various formats.

    This whole thing has been a mystery for me for months and I couldn’t I figure out where do such botched files come from, until I realised it’s probably because people can’t handle webps and so are making a mess of things.






  • Haha welcome to my another session of bitching about ancient media formats.

    Anyway I’ll just recommend XnView to you too. 500 supported image formats, so you can imagine why I get so pissy when people try to convince me that jpg and gif forevaaaa and that webp or whatever is difficult to implement. Maybe give LWF (Lura Wave Format) a shot, that stuff has been around for 20+ years too and can blow jpg out of the water.

    Oh XnView can do screenshots and cropping and stuff too. A free program that’s been around for 25 years, and for DOS before that. And yet the mainstream sticks to whatever nonsense is the default. It’s heartbreaking.


  • I don’t know the technical aspects of webp, but as long as it’s just another image format, any application that works with images should be able to just support it with an import/export filter. Again, XnView supports 500 formats, so it can’t be impossible.

    And all my apps support webp so well, I never realized there could be a problem with it except when I heard that Windows is starting to support it and I realised that oh yea, them being slow again.

    Again it’s not just webp, there’s been a ton of attempts to bring better image formats, all the way back to jpeg2000. Some people just don’t want to do any amount of work beyond the basics.

    We’ve had the same problem with sound. Lots of good formats in the last 20 years - ogg, flac, aac - yet you can still find things that only play mp3, often only up to a certain bitrate. That’s not a good reason why everyone should forever stick only to mp3.

    Yet there’s never been a problem with adopting new video formats, and that stuff is way harder to implement, often requiring hardware support to be feasible. We’re not sticking to 30 years old Real Media and QuickTime. Images deserve better too.


  • There is, exactly because png is made for strict rgb colorspace. Especially today when videos can be in HDR and with all kinds of color correction shenanigans, so which you won’t get back once you try to put the PNG back into the video.

    But I’m not a video editor, so I don’t know what still format is best suited for this. I imagine real editors can deal with it, and for regular people who just make screenshots for memes, it’s good enough. As I said, png is still a good enough format, but let’s not use it for stuff like converting webp photos for further sharing.




  • See, that’s fair. I don’t know why people can’t say so. It’s time to name and shame companies that can’t keep up with the times.

    I’m not saying webp is the be-all end-all, but goddamn we need to start using more modern compression for things. Especially gif, which is a fucking horrible format for what people use it today.

    I still remember when Internet Explorer wouldn’t support png. It takes pressure to get crappy companies to move their ass.

    In regards to both Windows and IrfanView, there’s a reason why I’ve been using XnView for 25 years now, with its 500 supported image formats, including webp of course.