Might be true, honestly. I’m on NixOS using the proprietary drivers for my 3080 and 4090. No issues, took one line of configuration. I do have to stay on X11 unfortunately until Wayland supports the real drivers at least (though i hear that’s being worked on, maybe already working?).

For all of NixOS’ pain, it really does make some things awesome and simple.

I did that at work and people had a heart attack lol. Which i thought was silly because the mod literally had no code in it besides module file declarations. /shrug

Expecting every different platform to all move in lockstep is not feasible so a situation where some support downvotes but some do not is going to have to be part of the process. Even if it was just kbin to kbin initially, that’d still be an improvement.

Yea, that is what i was thinking. I myself am working on some ActivityPub stuff and while compat is important to me, i also plan on potentially exposing new features in this manner. If other software wants to federate with it, cool, if not, whatevs. It’s data propagation, as with everything in ActivityPub it’s optional that consumers use it as desired.

Is ActivityPub not open to arbitrary extensions? I thought it was a very loose spec and the only concrete spec is an agreement between instance types. But i’ve not looked at the protocol closely yet, despite developing around it hah.

Frankly i’d prefer all of it to be private, but there’s merit to both sides.

re:drama-causing, i’m also removing downvotes from my instance in dev for the same reason. I do think some version of muting has value, though - but kinda feels like it should be a tool earned, similar to HackerNews (they have downvotes, but only after a certain amount of earned “karma”).

Yup. I’m trying to design (trying! lol) my own little slice of Fedi with this same problem in mind. Social networks exploited some natural tendencies towards toxicity for engagement. We need (imo) some people to explore ways to mitigate that.

Yea and i don’t mean to imply this is something everyone needs to see as a problem. Plenty of things are addictive for some and not for others. Even regardless of addiction, i just want (to explore) a set of features that is kind of anti-reddit. Explore anything that can help me feel like i didn’t miss anything, while not needing to visit more than once a day, once a week, etc. That i felt informed but that the random stuff was filtered out. etcetc

From a developer, often these features don’t scale well either. Either complex to define (if customizable) or too costly to run, but Fediverse tweaks that a bit. We have the potential to have smaller servers with less concern for scale, etc. Fediverse has potential here, for me at least

You’re not seriously suggesting that a platform prevent its users from using it, are you? LOL where have I seen that in the news this week?

Jeez, this feels quite hostile.

I’m a developer. I’m working on this problem myself. You can craft features which promote a behavior or inhibit it. For example focusing only on live oriented features, making sure that posts show up constantly and with little ability to see what previous came, i would argue, focuses behavior on addictive FOMO. Features that help summarize historical posts to leave you with less of a feeling of FOMO does the opposite. Quite difficult to get FOMO if the summary of posts only changes once every 5 hours, right? You should see the ideas here. All of which i want to explore.

Features promote behavior. Some drive engagement, some reduce engagement. I seek features which reduce engagement by way of inhibiting FOMO and promoting the feeling of being informed on what it is you were seeking.

I’m suggesting a platform which focuses on features that help users avoid what i feel are negative outcomes. Which is wholly different than saying that all platforms need to do this. Why is this controversial to you? Should i, and users like me, not be able to use a platform which tries to eradicate (as best able) FOMO? Is FOMO other people experience somehow essential to you?

You can have whatever platforms you like. Just because an option exists does not mean it is hostile to your preferences. To me your reply seems short sighted, entirely focused on your individual use case and ignorant of a wide array of methods people want to use to interact with these products.

I am focused on my slice and my pie. You can have yours too, it’s okay.

Yup. Moreover, i want clients and implementations that help summarize and reduce doomscroll behavior. Social networks have value (imo), but they also have a cost and i’m tired of paying that. Reddit built a habit in so many of us to go back to it during any downtime, doomscroll more time than we wanted or expected, become overly invested in karma, arguments, etc. Reddit also has zero incentive to fix any of this, as it was perfect for engagement. Reddit is Facebook is Twitter, and i’m tired of those applications drugging my brain.

I definitely do not want Reddit. I want the value we got from Reddit, without the cost.

Yea, i’m working on my own Fedi software and i’m struggling with the point of boosting in the link aggregator context. It’s an odd overlap with Reddit-style reposting to appropriate subs, but based on the user.

It makes sense in the Twitter UX, but i struggle to find it’s place in the Reddit UX.

I’ve been on Kagi for a couple months now. Very happy with it. Generally unless i think the problem is small and easy (search is not, imo) i want to pay for servers in an attempt to not be “the product”. So i like Kagi on that. It’s search results are good too, especially after having used DDG for a couple years (iirc? time flies)

What’s the difference to users of the two platforms, in your eyes? I’m not familiar with the workflows of either Instagram nor DA

Yea, i’m not sure how much benefit of doubt we should be handing Mark Zuck of all people. There’s few people in the world who make their intentions more clear than him. Not that i’m trying to paint him as evil, i’m not and i don’t think he is, but i also see no reason to expect self-run instances to offer an olive branch to him.

We should be vary paranoid about Embrace Extend Extinguish in these communities.

I really like HackerNew’s approach to this. There is a downvote button, but only older, higher reputation accounts get it. Tildes has something similar (ish), in the sense that accounts with reputation get different features.

It’s something i want to experiment with some Fediverse software too. I think features like these can help shape community.

Good link. It’ll be interesting to see where it goes. I think this really comes down to a question of “Does the Fediverse even have to capability of federating user actions without indicating what user did the action?”

Plus, if you can muster up some solution, is that solution then easily falsifiable? Ie could a server send thousands of automated fake downvotes that don’t actually tie to a specific handle? How would a receiving server know that some anonymous vote is a real vote? etc

Challenging problems.

I’m (as a dev experimenting with the fedi) more interested in the features each platform adds to the fedi and ensuring we have consistency. Which is probably included in what you said, i’m just being explicit.

Ie regardless of if it’s an upvote or a star, hypothetically it should have a similar effect in all platforms that federate with that value. If it modulates score in an algorithm, it should “mean” the same thing to the fediverse so that it has similar outcomes in all platforms. A silly but extreme example of this failing would be one site upvotes and downvotes meaning opposite things on two implementations - it would be chaos hah.

I hope (but don’t yet know until my implementation is further along) that Like and Boost are functionally different. I also hope no ones implementation is conflating them.

Either way interesting times and i’m excited to see where we take it :)

That brings into question what downvotes are, then hah.

What are your thoughts on reactions instead of rewards?

I’m on mastodon.art and donate $1/m, same story. It’s only a handful of people that donate (hundreds, but still - much smaller than the thousands of users) and we cover the bill.

Though, this is also why i’m experimenting with custom Fediverse instance software that prioritizes low cost operation. I think Fedi would be better off if it wasn’t a huge lift to figure out hosting. There’s enough challenges in hosting instances, it would be nice to reduce as many as possible.

So you’re running a local DB and backing up the external drive? Neat. What about static storage? Images/videos/etc? How are you handling backup?

I’m interested in this space because i’m writing an experimental ActivityPub client and one of my goals is to make it “as cheap as possible” to run a micro-instance. I plan on exploiting a single directory, sqlite and file storage, that users can just rsync or backup however they wish. Cheap is tough hah.